Dispatches: Supermarket secrets

[Kumem]

It's on, on Thursday.
Just seen the advert and thought I would mention it.
The advert is along the lines of, "ever seen where your food comes from"
They mention a chicken containing a pint of fat - so much for chicken being the healthy option. With a bit of luck, they will mention the additives, hormones etc in animal products.

Liz

[aubergine]

What channel is this on, and what time? I can't wait.

[snaffler]

This Thursday as in the 28th ? is it.

[Kumem]

28th yes - it's Channel 4 I think.
This is from one website:

DISPATCHES: SUPERMARKET SECRETS: 9pm
How and what we eat has radically changed over the past few decades with the all-consuming rise of the supermarket. But what price are we paying for the homogenised, cheap and convenient food in which supermarkets specialise? In a two-part programme, journalist Jane Moore investigates how supermarkets have affected the food on our plates and uncovers the information shoppers need to know. Using a combination of undercover filming and scientific analysis, Supermarket Secrets investigates whether the food on supermarket shelves is really as good as it looks, whether prices are as good as they seem and what happens behind the scenes in the production of supermarket food.

I love it when the general public are faced with what they are really eating.

[Roxy]

Wish we could get that programme here!

[Kumem]

If our video player worked I'd record it and send it to you!
Wonder if anyone has a recordable DVD player. That would be relatively cheap to send over surely.

[Yoggy]

But our DVD players here use different format from over there

[Kumem]

But our DVD players here use different format from over there

Mine is region 1 and 2, but don't if you could record in either region. Mine doesn't record anyway.

[snaffler]

On another note regarding DVD players if you would like to make your player more open and easy to errmm play any region DVD send me a PM with your player model and type the rest is easy for you to do. Hay presto 0 region players for all vegans.

Sorry Sony owners these have to have hardware modifications and cost silly money to do.

[Kumem]

On another note regarding DVD players if you would like to make your player more open and easy to errmm play any region DVD send me a PM with your player model and type the rest is easy for you to do. Hay presto 0 region players for all vegans.

Sorry Sony owners these have to have hardware modifications and cost silly money to do.

You're beginning to sound like a dodgy geezer

That's quite cool though. I think mine can only change regions a couple of times or so, so I might take you up on that.

Liz

[bulletproof]

anyone know if this will be repeated? i missed it

[Gorilla]

erm, it hasn't been on yet has it? it's the 27th today....

[Kumem]

yeah, it's tomorrow night

[Pob]

Doh - I wanted to see this but I'm gonna be out playing badminton. Can't even tape it cos we've got a housefull of people and only one Sky box and no terrestrial aerial.
If I set it to tape someone is bound to turn it over.

With a bit of luck it will end up on the P2P networks - this would be good anyway as it will give loads more people the chance to see it.

[bulletproof]

woops silly me. thanks

[JoJo]

Did anyone else see Dispatches tonight? (28/07/05) 9pm Channel 4.I'm so glad I don't eat meat!!

[miss_laura]

It didn't show anything particularly life-changingly shocking (although maybe I'm just desensitised after years of reading about factory farms and vivisection labs), granted there were a few chickens in a horrific state, unable to walk etc, but they also showed a so-called "responsible" chicken farmer, who feeds his chickens the "proper" drugs etc., and I have a feeling that most omnivores will convince themselves that this okay, and that most of the meat they buy will be from that kind of farm.

They also had a variety of different meat tastings, promoting organic meat over the cheaper variety, and they even showed a menu of a well-respected professional chef, focusing on the foie gras. *sigh*

I really don't think this documentary would have discouraged any omni from eating their meat; there are much worse things they could have shown of intensive chicken rearing, especially with laying hens. Next week they're showing the dairy industry though, maybe this will be a bit more explicit (Monday, 9pm).

[AbFab]

I caught the last half, as I was watching Extras instead (Ricky Gervais ROCKS!), but what I did see, just confirmed to me all that I already knew. If this program isn't enough to turn the rest of the British TV-watching public at least vegetarian, they are nearly (I never like to give up completely) a lost cause. Next Monday's show will feature the dairy industry, so we may get some more vegans on this forum from Monday night! Ever the optimist, me.

There is already a thread about this here.

[Mozbee]

Yes it was great to see some more proof on TV that eating meat is illogical and totally callous.
Seeing those little chicks being tumbled down the conveyor belt as if they were just brussel sprouts...how can people do that work?

[Mozbee]

I didn't like the eating bit blurgk!

[Gliondrach]

They showed a way of telling which chickens had been in the more intensive systems because they had ammonia burns on their legs where they had rested on the droppings-littered floor. This wouldn't happen to birds that had some sort of welfare checking. They found that 82% of the chickens they looked at in supermarkets had these burns. This might result in a few people rejecting those chickens. It might encourage the farmers to give more consideration to the welfare of the birds during their short, miserable lives. A small improvement it would be, but better than none.

[gibby]

it was good

I asked my mother to watch it but I think she would have switched over as they stated it had upsetting scenes of factory farming etc at the start

it was very tame/lame but raised some good issues but really put the blame on the supermarkets, the advisory bodies and the public for not opening their minds to this stuff.

I must print off some more stickers tommorow
"factory farmed"
"full of toxins"
"not suitable for human consumption"
"sufferring as seen on TV"
"pint of fat in every bird"
"dead piglet"
"dead fluffy lamb"

I can get lots of these out on every visit to tesco and for some funny reason the stuff dosent sell as quick as the non stickered items.

you can buy the stickers 65 to a page for about 10P per sheet at any small stationary shop or buy boxes for 7 quid and put em through you pc

if anyone wants a templete pm me your email addy and ill be happy to help

every little helps


Gibby

[Mozbee]

It's fantastic that these facts and appauling conditions are being exposed, especially so close to the prog about SNGP campaigns.

[AbFab]

Every Little Helps indeed.

[terrace max]

The most interesting bit for me was the interview with Dr Michael Crawford. He was the guy that turned a supermarket chicken into almost a pint of fat.

He mentioned a study which found that force feeding in factory farming was leading to a change in the ratio of omega oils in many people's diets, which in turn might cause mental health problems in kids.

The programme's presenter didn't really pick up on this. Does anyone know any more about this study?

[aubergine]

Sngp?

[bulletproof]

the increasing number of programs/documentarys on the meat industry on mainstream tv are really encouraging. not so long ago was the slaughterhouse thing, now this one and i hope there are more to come. i watched it with a proud corpse eater and he made the comment that the factory farms looked just like concentration camps- whether or not that was just a simple observation or there was some underlying empathy i don't know, though i am not overly optimistic about chances of him actually making any changes, i suppose there is always hope.

[screamingcarrot]

i agree with miss laura. but again im probably desensitised too. i wanted it to be shocking cause id convinced some friends to watch it and i was hoping to shock them out of their meat eating ways!!! but i do think the bit about the hock burns was useful, it provided a link between what you see on the supermarket shelf and the suffering of the animal..i think alot of people will think of that now before they buy it.

i think what is needed is maybe a six or seven part series about the treatment of animals in the meat industry,not focusing on the consumer, or the workers in a aslaughterhouse, but the ANIMALS themselves. maybe its already been done, i dont know, but i havent seen it yet.

[tails4wagging]

Trouble is I dont think corpse eaters would watch it, they would bury their head in the sand.

[DoveInGreyClothing]

I saw it, and today at work, an omni colleague asked me if I'd seen it- she was shocked. I explained that I'd seen far worse and that was one of the better factory farms being shown. She's been put off her chicken a bit...

[DoveInGreyClothing]

I saw it, and today at work, an omni colleague asked me if I'd seen it- she was shocked. I explained that I'd seen far worse and that was one of the better factory farms being shown. She's been put off her chicken a bit... I'm looking forward to her maybe asking my advice on going veggie...

[Mozbee]

Let's hope she's not the only omni viewer then

[gibby]

re mental illness

many good nutritionsist have been talking about this for a long time & now n then I see press articles backing this up.

The only official - as in health authority studies eveidence was documented in the Lancet some time ago.
I did hear a show on Radio 4 with a famous Dr - not sure of his name.
basically they have discovered that a lack of omega 3 oils in the body can result in depression and other disorders.

From a test they did they found some patients force fed fish oils - managed to become free of depression and multiple personality disorders, others had reduced symptoms by taking the oils.

I have heard of other unoffical studies that have proved hemp and flax are far greater at doing the job and Dr Joe (http://www.alternativesouls.com/hh/drjrs.html)
does recommend in his radio show/download that hemp n flax will prevent and treat these problems. He does quote studies but I cant remember which one it was.
basically the omega 3 n 6 have to be in the correct proportion for things to work - and as said on the show the proportions are now out of sync. Also the fact that the meat is cooked means the oils are damaged and not really of value.

I have been taking hemp oil daily for 2 years now and feel much better for it, my mood swings are far less and I feel brighter.

alos the recent VIVA mag had a great article on flax oil - if you can get one

hope that helps

Gibby

[terrace max]

Thanks for that Gibby.

[DoveInGreyClothing]

Walnut oil is omega 3 high too, and tastes lovely with pasta.

[RossClement]

Dispatches is again covering the food industry. Supposedly a RSPCA "Freedom Food" certified farm they're showing factory farming of ducks, and there are dead and dying ducks all over the place. No place to swim. Dirt. Overcrowding.

Not "cheers",

Ross-c

[Mozbee]

Totally sick. But the video footage couldn't be used against the sods in court because it was made undercover...isn't that handy for Kerry Foods!

[tails4wagging]

Watching now, the undercover footage of the poor cows were filmed by my friends.

I wonder how many meat eaters are watching!!!!.

[miss_laura]

Oh bugger, I thought it was on at 9. I really wanted to watch this one, too =(

[RossClement]

Totally sick. But the video footage couldn't be used against the sods in court because it was made undercover...isn't that handy for Kerry Foods!

And the judge concluded (paraphrased from memory) that it was "clear" that Kerry Foods had very high standards of animal welfare. Justice is blind!

Cheers,

Ross-c

[Kumem]

Totally sick. But the video footage couldn't be used against the sods in court because it was made undercover...isn't that handy for Kerry Foods!

I have heard from a reliable source that they are about to go down the pan anyway
They're not too far from me.

Liz

[VeganJohn]

Missed the documentary, but I think I am actually glad I did not watch it

[screamingcarrot]

was anyone watching part two last night?
i missed it..any good?

[Mozbee]

Yes, we're onto the second part now started at number 36.

[screamingcarrot]

Yes, we're onto the second part now started at number 36.

oops..thanks!

[LucyB]

Just found this thread... I just wanted to say that these two programs worked on me... I taped them both and watched them last thursday night (4th?) and when I woke up on friday morning, I couldn't face the thought of eating meat. During the day on friday I drank a cup of tea with regular milk and gagged on it. Since then, I have followed a vegan diet, coming up for a week now, and I'm loving it.

For me, it wasn't just about the cruelty as such, but the respect that I feel is due to all creatures with souls and I cannot bring myself to put something in my body that I know has caused another soul harm in the process.

I am still working on other issues like clothing, toiletries etc - my general plan is to research vegan options as each product needs replacing - I haven't enough money to throw out or donate everything non-vegan I own but will not contribute to that industry going forward, kwim?

So the program has saved some animals, at least from this ex-omni!

[Gliondrach]

Great news, Lucy, about your decision. Go at your own pace, as fast as you feel able to. Yes, just replace things when they are needed. No sense in depriving yourself of the things you already have.

Regards,

Martin.

[aubergine]

I recorded the first, but missed the second. I rather stupidly thought they would have shown it a week after. Nope, monday instead...

I wonder if this will be repeated?

[Mozbee]

It's working wonders then even if just one person has been converted - keep eating to save lives LucyB

[gaechter]

Lucky me, I found this documentary too on http://www.roland-kaufmann.ch/tierrechte/videos (I was searching for the Slaughterhouse documentary and found your forum and the link above).

Dont forget to show it everyone...