I looked at their on-line list of which of their products is vegan and they included items containing honey and even meat/flesh
This needs investigating.
http://www2.marksandspencer.com/feedback/pdfs/Vegan.pdf
I looked at their on-line list of which of their products is vegan and they included items containing honey and even meat/flesh
This needs investigating.
http://www2.marksandspencer.com/feedback/pdfs/Vegan.pdf
Last edited by flutterby; Nov 6th, 2005 at 05:34 PM. Reason: M & S 'Vegan List' posts split from existing thread
I hope you're not implying that chunky chicken, and sausage pizza are not vegan.
Lol,I am not but evidently M and S areRob(QG)
That's a weird list! Has anyone written to M&S? If not I will -would be fascinating to hear their explanation of what they think "vegan" means
Page 10 of that document - "Old Chunky Chicken in Gravy" and "Old Chunky Chicken Regular".
Obviously the chicks were vegan! They separated the vegan ones from those who had (warning: GRAPHIC IMAGE) pecked at the rotting corpses of their companions when packed into the broiler shedRoxy
vegandolly
thats disturbing!!!
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-henry miller
i just read the entire list and was outraged. what exactly do they think a vegan, or a vegetarian for that matter, is?
i made a list of all the products which jumped out at me (im sure there are more but i cant examine all the ingredients right now) and sent them an online complaint. yep, work is quiet today.
If you pm me the list I'll happily make a complaint too, it's kind of funny just how ignorant they are, but also kind of worrying that they're happy to distribute such blatent misinformation.
oh my god I can't believe it. M and s are thick as. You guys made me laugh though with your sarcasm. Just what I needed!! PM me the list too!
'Never eat more than you can lift' - 'Miss Piggy' :p
thought i might as well post the list of what m and s define as vegan:
sunflower and honey unsliced bread-128902
butter puffs-743136
salami selection (!?) 421287
tuscan style saussage(!!) and sweet red pepper pizza- 465397
chicken and vegetable soup 702874
old chunky chicken in gravy 272278
old chunky chicken regular 345231
beef onion rings 416566
beef and onion flav potato crisps 407427
honey roast wiltshire ham 150g 461412
roasted beef and onion snacks 461399
some of those may be vegan, without checking the list of ingrediants, such as beef onion rings (not sure why a vegan would want to buy any mind!). I've emailed them with a list of things which definately arn't vegan/vegetarian.
yeah i thought of that, i was going to give them the benefit of the doubt but decided against it considering they think ham sausages and chicken are vegan!!!!
perhaps the scandle is that their meat doesn't contain any? Although I find it hard to beleive that M&S sell that many things that don't conatin butter and cream, it never ceases to amaze me just how much dairy m&s can sneak into the most odd things. I used to pity vegetarians who live off cheese and eggs, but any that are used to shopping in M&S would find it very hard to turn vegan.
yeah i generally never shop there. its kinda pricey anyway.Mr Flibble
... is online at http://www2.marksandspencer.com/feedback/pdfs/Vegan.pdf
However, I notice the following entries:
Ftg [Food to go] Chicken Scilian Lemon and Herb 40g
Chicken and Veetable [sic] Soup
Chunky Chicken in gravy
So what gives?
Last edited by flutterby; Nov 6th, 2005 at 05:35 PM. Reason: New thread merged with posts split from existing thread
Ive spoken to staff at Marks and Spencers about this list - at first they found it funny but did apologise and said someone would look at the list as there were obvious mistakes.
Ive also got the vegan wine list which is basically all the vegetarian wines there is a big list of vegan wines - i find this hard to believe, when somewhere like the co-op who label whats veggie and vegan only have about 12 wines for vegans at the small co-op wines by me.
Its great that stores do list whats vegan but they need to get this info correct.
I emailed Sainsburys to ask which wines are vegan this was their reply:
"Thank you for your email. I am very sorry but we are no longer able to supply our customers with a list of products that are suitable for vegans, this is due to a low demand for the guide. I understand how disappointing this must be for you."
Im sticking to the co-op for wine as they sell vegan fair trade wines, and i am always checking labels in the shops!
Alison
Its been brought to the attention of Realfood, and The Vegan Society, who have contacted or are going to contact them to say how can you trust anything else on their list when they get so much wrong.
there's another thread about this from a couple of months ago, when a few of us wrote to M&S about it.
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
I have just emailed M&S I will let you know what happens
"Dear M&S,
I have been a strict vegan for 16 years and I was very shocked and alarmed to read your PDF list of foods suitable for vegans.
Link http://www2.marksandspencer.com/feedback/pdfs/Vegan.pdf
take a long look at the list and see if you can spot not jus one but several serious errors on your list.
In many cases the foods are far from Vegetarian let alone vegan, these errors include chicken and fish based products, which are neither vegetarian nor vegan.
I really do hope this list is revised very soon and if you are looking for advice or help in completing this list so it is presented correctly and professionally please do not hesitate to contact me.
Kind regards
Jayson Rowe"
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams
outrageous! that has to get sorted!! this country is so not vegan friendly!!!!!!
What that list to describe in one word is...crap.vegandolly
There not even vegetarian some of 'em.
Tut. I never liked Marks & Spencers much anyway.
Last edited by flutterby; Nov 9th, 2005 at 09:52 PM. Reason: The wine query posts have been merged with http://veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105
"It's not that people suddenly start breeding like rabbits; it's just that people stopped dropping like flies" - population explosion
Has anyone heard back from M&S about this?
Still waiting myself.
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams
i got a reply, but i can't find it anywhere!
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
They have just updated their list, I got a copy of it in the post this morning.
The online version is available from the same link; http://www2.marksandspencer.com/feedback/pdfs/Vegan.pdf
It looks OK, I had a glance through it and the only thing I saw that looks bad is
'Cheese & Tomato Square pizza 482189'
Still, I suppose it could be Vegan.
"Food To Go Chicken, Sicilian Lemon and Herb 40g 470254" .
King Prawn, Chilli And Coriander Wrap Ftg
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
They've outdone themselves again
Personally I'd rather they made mistakes than not try and produce a list at all, it is afterall only a guide and you should check the ingredients yourself anyway. I think a polite email is on order telling them what they've got wrong.
I suppose the Food to go chicken thing could be textured soya since it is only 40g.
Perhaps yes!!!! .but i wouldnt risk anything from m n s now having read that list!!!!I suppose the Food to go chicken thing could be textured soya since it is only 40g.
also....i have noticed tha M an S tend to put none vegam things in a lot of things that could quite easily be vegan...they could so easily be more vegan friendly.....just things in the deli mainly ive noted..some of the sandwiches n salads.
With all due respect to them, this is the second year they've published a vegan list with glaring omissions on it. It doesn't bode well for the accuracy of items which *could* be vegan (ie they have an ingredient which can be derived from both animal and non animal sources and hence you cannot tell from an ingredients list). Lots of us wrote to them last year and they did nothing about it, most of us didn't even get replies. To me it just sends out the message that they don't really care.
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
I'm pretty appalled by this 'Vegan list, but M&S still have pretty much the clearest labelling of any food store in the UK. There's still quite a few things they sell that are clearly Vegan friendly, you just have to be careful.
ok this is beyond the beyond to me if the general public knew about this there would be an outrage, tho sadly to say more so because of the risk of disease than that of compassionadam antichrist
I agree and i find that about most food producing companies. I mean, everytime i pick up a packet of crisps they have milk in them!! Why? Maybe it's just me, but i've only been noticing the addittion of milk in the past few years - has it always been there?? I don't see how it enhances the flavour or whatever its meant to do, in the slightest!! Yea, so getting back to the point - too much non vegan things in what are potentially vegan food!!sugarmouse
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it's always been there and it's generally used as a carrier for flavour
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
Kettle Chips work fine without it though.Mr Flibble
Thats what i was thinking. There are loads of crisps without milk but what i was meaning about only noticing over the past few years was that i have only been noticing the amount of crisps that are changing there recipies to have milk in them or new brands that are putting it in them rasther than just ommitting milk altogether.
Kettle chips are too fattening
"Human Freedom, Animal Rights, One Struggle, One Fight!!"
Stuff the fat- Kettle chips are AMAZING!
It's like the salt and vinegar twirls (mmm...) - the Sainsburys ones are vegan, but Tescos have milk in. They taste exactly the same to me?!
You could always ration yourself...the_red_star
I let a bag last a few days.
No, i don't have the control for that! I did find in my uni though, little small bags, well, i say small, they're 40gs i think so not that small... but no. I think i better just stay off the kettle chips n stick to the lettuce! ha ha
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That's because products that cost four times the price tend to use actual ingredients as opposed to artificial flavourings that cost a fraction of the price. Walker's salt and vinegar contain "salt and vinegar flavour [acidity regulator (sodium diacetate), citric acid, flavour enhancers (monosodium glutamate (from wheat), disodium 5’ribonucleotide)]", Kettle salt and vinegar contain "Sea Salt, Dried Balsamic Vinegar". You get what you pay for.spjessop
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
True. Walkers Ready Salted are perfectly tasty for a cheap bag of crisps.
Tescos use to do a nice bag of salt n vinegar crisps like kettle but nicer, dad got me some the other day and im glad ive checked the new 'improved' list of ingredients - milk powder
So back to Kettles it is!
Mind you since discovering those kettle crispy bakes........i allow the odd bag!
Alison
The Tomato and Basil ones are divine!
Oh, yes!! I ate a whole big bag the other day!Troutina
I'm not a fan of Kettle crisps, they are hard and taste too fatty. But if that's all that's on offer, I'll eat a few.
Hmm..just realised what the title of this thread is...I don't shop there so I'd better go...
"Do what you can with what you have where you are."
- Theodore Roosevelt
Thats really crazy, what's going on,
alisont
What are these? are they shelved with the crisps?
They are little bits of cardboard with flavouring on. They come in overpriced/undersized bags in the cracker section.
"Mr Flibble - forum corruptor of innocents!!" - Hemlock
what are the vegan flavours? I've only seen tomato & basil that were ok. I didn't fancy trying them. I saw Kettle Chips in big bags were 2 for £2 in Sainsbo's and had very delicious balsamic vinegar, and lightly salted. Also got some root veg crisps from one of the own brands there, but it was about £2 and you got much less. Very nice treat though!
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