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    Let's kill the pet trade. Let's enforce spay/neuter. Let's not let pet owners believe there is a 'place' for their unwanted friends. If people believe there is 'no kill' then watch for an explosion in dumped animals
    Typical PETA final solution talk that switches thousands off the organisation and off veganism.

    From the usual celebrity based PETA press release, here about Michael Vick taking an "empthy for animals course" at PETA after his "personal meeting" with Igrid Newkirk, we read: "PETA's course teaches the Golden Rule—treat others as you wish to be treated."

    And yet as far as I am aware PETA is not advocating the sterilisation and gassing of the excessive human population or of abandoned children....

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    Peta advocates for non-human animals, Michael, but nice dramatic effect .

    Have you seen the campaign for mandatory spay/neuter in California?

    I would like to see much tougher legislation regarding breeding animals for profit= that's what I meant by killing the pet trade.

    Purebreds can be obtained through specialized rescue centres now. A friend's new boxer was adopted rather than bought as their deceased dog was.

    And I, sadly, do believe many folks in the States are only keeping their animals because they KNOW they will die if surrendered. That is also why in California stray dogs are found on the beach... the 'dumpers' hope that a decent citizen who picks one up to take to a shelter may end up keeping them when they see the chances for adoption are slim- happened to a softhearted acquaintance.

    It's all about quality of life for me. I don't think killing is necessarily wrong. We have an eternity for our souls, animal human, to work out the karma.
    I don't, however, call it euthanasia when healthy animals are destroyed

    Don't have to like Peta or celebs or care about any 'movement'; just work for improvement where I can with whom I can. That's where I stand true to my own beliefs; I respect the opposing opinion as well.
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    Peta advocates for non-human animals, Michael, but nice dramatic effect .
    Nice sidestep!. But in terms of treating as you would be treated yourself, there's a double standard there. The logic of PETA's arguments is fine, but the values are a mess.

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    Don't have to like Peta or celebs or care about any 'movement'; just work for improvement where I can with whom I can. That's where I stand true to my own beliefs; I respect the opposing opinion as well.
    Well, we're shoulder to shoulder there!

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    I don't think you can treat a creature you can't communicate with like a creature you can. I think taking care of an animal should be just like taking care of a human who is retarted in some aspect and cannot communicate or take care of themselves entirely. We must make decisions for them. If such a situation were likely that a person like this would run around and have unprotected sex, we might make the decision to sterilize them. If a person is in a coma, and may come out of it perfectly healthy, but will most likely stay in a coma for at least years, we must make a life or death situation for them. I think that situation is similar to an animal at a shelter, as they may get adopted in a month, or may sit in a cage for years and years and never get adopted. Also if an animal is set free and may find food enough to survive and maybe even a home someday, but will most likely (in my opinion, others may differ) be set up for a worse fate, they are in a similar situation.

    One may say that a coma is a medical situation, but there have been people who are in comas for over a decade, and wake up fully functional. It also takes many resources to keep them alive, as it does to take care of an animal.

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    I realise this may be old to a lot of you, but to me it isn't, so am jumping on this old thread.

    http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

    I was hoping people could enlighten me to the story behind the statistics which are quite staggering, or have/can point me to PETA statements in response. I have read the PETA reply on page one to eve, but this pre-dates these 2006 findings. I am wondering myself if PETA are doing all they can, or directing money to the right places, i.e. re-homing.

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    All I know is that this site was made by Dr. Evil:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2661990n

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    All I know is that this site was made by Dr. Evil:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=2661990n
    Wow. What a tosser.

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    Here's where my own enquiries have taken me:

    Hello, I am a new vegan, but finding it difficult to defend claims made from the right-wing media that PETA kill such a staggering number of animals, I refer to this in particular: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ While I understand that it sometimes kinder to kill an animal then let it live a stressful and/or painful life, (i'd supposed caged?) re-homing only 1942 cats of 1960 (going on 2006 figures) does lead me to question if PETA are doing enough. Please can you shed some light, and give context to such claims. Have PETA released any statements, or would they wish to, defending these claims?

    Dear Stuart,

    Thank you for contacting us about the “PETA Kills Animals” campaign.

    This campaign is the work of the deceitfully named Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), a front group for Philip Morris, Outback Steakhouse, KFC, cattle ranchers, and other animal exploiters who kill millions of animals every year—not out of compassion but out of greed. These companies are worried about the strides that PETA is making that are changing their industries and compelling them to take animal welfare concerns seriously, so they hope to scare people away from caring about animals by spending millions on campaigns like this. To learn more about CCF—whose Web site USA Today said should be renamed “FatforProfit.com”—please see the following Web sites:

    ·http://www.ConsumerDeception.com
    · http://www.CitizensForEthics.org/node/19131
    ·http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=8984

    Despite its deceptive intent, we’re grateful for the opportunity that this campaign provides to discuss the animal overpopulation crisis. We are on the front lines in the battle to help unwanted dogs and cats, and we need your help.

    Our caseworkers work tirelessly to rescue homeless animals from environmental dangers and situations of cruelty and neglect (http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/about_cap.asp). Our staff members crawl through sewers, poke around junkyards, climb trees, and dodge traffic in order to reach animals in danger. During floods and storms, we are out saving animals’ lives at all hours.

    Some of the animals who are rescued by PETA are lost companions; we are always happy to return such animals to their homes. PETA does not operate an animal shelter, but we do foster many healthy homeless animals (often in our own homes) or take them to animal shelters to await adoption. The reality is that thousands of adoptable animals are euthanized every day in animal shelters and veterinary offices across America because of a lack of good homes. To learn more, visit http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/f-nc.asp.

    Most of the animals we receive are broken beings for whom euthanasia is, without a doubt, the most humane option; to learn more, please see our factsheet at http://www.PETA.org/feat-overpopulation_crisis.asp. To cite a local instance, our caseworkers were able to gain custody of a dog—locked to a 15 pound chain—who was starved until she was severely emaciated. We had to carry her into the emergency clinic because she could barely walk. On the doctor’s advice, we gave her food and water in a comfortable room and monitored her progress overnight but, by the next morning, she couldn’t keep the food down, so we rushed her again to see a veterinarian. He recommended euthanasia due to the severity of her condition, she was in a lot of pain and faced an agonizing, lingering death otherwise. The most humane option for her was a peaceful and dignified release from her suffering. We pursued criminal charges against those responsible for her condition, leading to their convictions for cruelty to animals. To learn more, please see http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/f-asiasstory.asp.

    On another occasion, when a power-line transformer explosion burned a flock of starlings, PETA was the only agency to come to the birds’ aid; if our trained technicians had not been ready to end these starlings’ misery, the injured birds would have suffered in agony for days before finally succumbing to a painful death. We also provide free euthanasia services for local residents who have very sick, critically injured, or geriatric companions but can’t afford to take them to a veterinarian. One family, lacking money for vet care and transportation, turned to us for help for their cat, who had barely crawled back home after being mauled by a pack of dogs. We were able to help by giving the cat a peaceful end to her intense pain.

    The best way to save the lives of homeless animals is to reduce their numbers through spay/neuter programs, such as PETA’s mobile spay-and-neuter clinics, which bring low-cost and free alterations and other procedures to low-income neighborhoods (http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/about_snip.asp). Since every animal purchased from a pet store or breeder means that another homeless animal must die, adopting an animal from a shelter or rescue group is the only responsible way to bring a furry friend into your life (http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/ga_petstore.asp).

    To learn more about what PETA is doing for companion animals and how you can help, please see the following Web sites:

    · Save homeless animals: http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/ga_spay.asp
    · More ways to help dogs and cats: http://www.HelpingAnimals.com
    · Become an advocate for animals: http://www.PETA.org/actioncenter

    Thanks again for writing and for your compassion for animals. We look forward to working with you to save animals’ lives!

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    I am still left wondering if the figures shown are authentic (the documentation is downloadable as a pdf), despite the credibilty of CCF. If they are can you provide some context? Do PETA not, or could they not, ringfence more money for re-homing? And what kind of conditions do the healthy animals live in, and for how long before being killed? The figures are very unsettling.

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    Dear Stuart,

    Thank you for your e-mail. The figures are authentic, and we agree that the numbers of animals who are euthanized for lack of good homes in the United States is upsetting.

    It is important to keep in mind the extent of the overpopulation crisis. Every year in the United States alone, 6 to 8 million cats and dogs enter shelters, and approximately half of them are euthanized. PETA does not run an animal shelter – we refer healthy animals to shelters where they will have a chance at being adopted.

    Most of the animals we euthanized were unsocialized beings who had spent their lives on chains, never known a kind touch, and who had never stepped foot inside a building—these animals could hardly be called “pets.” Others were indeed someone’s, but they were aged, sick, injured, dying, or too aggressive to place, and PETA offered them a release from suffering, with no charge to their guardians.

    To understand the extent of neglect and abuse that PETA caseworkers deal with on a daily basis, please see http://blog.peta.org/archives/2010/02/will_you_nip.php and http://blog.peta.org/archives/2010/0..._the_blame.php.

    As long as animals are purposely bred and people aren’t spaying and neutering their companions, open-admission animal shelters and organizations like PETA must do society’s dirty work. Euthanasia is not a solution to overpopulation but rather a tragic necessity given the present crisis. PETA is proud to be a “shelter of last resort,” where animals who have no place to go or who are unwanted or suffering are welcomed with love and open arms. We do not turn any animal away.

    What you may not have read is that PETA runs two mobile spay-and-neuter clinics, serving low-income residents in Virginia and North Carolina. The clinics offer free and low-cost sterilization surgeries as well as other services, such as flea and tick treatments, vaccinations, and deworming. Since starting our first mobile clinic in 2001, we have sterilized more than 57,000 animals, including 8,677 in 2009 alone.

    We hope that this message has shed some light on our work. To read more about what PETA is doing for companion animals and how you can help, please visit http://www.HelpingAnimals.com.

    Thanks again for writing and for your compassion for animals.

    Sincerely,

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    I do not and will not support Peta because of the "sex sells" factor. I'm not preaching to anyone else or asking anyone else to agree: this is merely my reason.

    Therefore, I believe an alternative to Peta should be found.

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    All in all, I just can't stand PETA. They're hypocritical and I think there is a serious millitant and suspicious undertone to their entire operation...
    "Life is life – whether in a cat, or dog or man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man’s own advantage."

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    "I am so over having dogs" said the pert blonde 22yr old daughter of a friend after kicking out boyfriend (the pint sized pooches main carer) and starting a demanding new job.

    She will undoubtedly pass them along for a moderate price as the bitch has a couple litters left in her before she wears out and gets dumped in a shelter.

    Another friend, who has already killed most of her exotic pets, has her eye on a 'Winston Churchill dog'. Her fiance has now promised her a bull dog. How she will afford the vet bills, I don't know. I give it 2 years before she falls for another pet fad.

    Let's kill the pet trade. Let's enforce spay/neuter. Let's not let pet owners believe there is a 'place' for their unwanted friends. If people believe there is 'no kill' then watch for an explosion in dumped animals
    For what it's worth Pat, I am seeing and agreeing with the logic you are using matey ...

    Unwanted pets are kinda like the 'pus' that streams from 'wounds' of irresponsible pet breeding and ownership. It is idiot-compassion, not true compassion, that says "ignore the wound and treat the pus".
    All done in the best possible taste ...

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    And I, sadly, do believe many folks in the States are only keeping their animals because they KNOW they will die if surrendered.
    I don't know about that one but I do know this;

    At least two serial pet abandoners I have come across believed they were doing a service to "people who would rather have a rescue pet than buy their own" by dumping their old pets and getting new ones in.

    It is underestimating the infinite depths of human stupidity to believe that a percieved 'demand' for rescue animals does not stimulate the supply.
    All done in the best possible taste ...

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    At least two serial pet abandoners I have come across believed they were doing a service to "people who would rather have a rescue pet than buy their own" by dumping their old pets and getting new ones in.
    What?? They did realise that one normally has to "buy" rescue animals by donating a substantial sum to the rescue organisation?

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    What?? They did realise that one normally has to "buy" rescue animals by donating a substantial sum to the rescue organisation?
    Exactly!

    How much more proof can you have that people really do want rescue animals sooooo badly that, if they cant find one wandering the streets somewhere, they are willing to pay?

    One of these shaven-apes, an ex neighbour who's cat I now have, actualy seemed to think that not abandoning a pet every now and again (to bring pleasure to people like me) would be a bit unkind.

    Was he who changed my mind about the wisdom of taking in abandoned animals, btw. I kinda realised that he would have happily filled every home in our street with last seasons moggies so as he could treat his own kiddies to a new 'kitty' every year.
    All done in the best possible taste ...

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    Mind you people like that will probably find some excuse for their wicked behaviour anyway Imagine what their kids must think - if they get too big and not cute enough will they be shoved out as well? Perhaps so.

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    This disturbs me. You just can't seem to trust anyone in this world anymore...

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