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  1. Jan 16th, 2006 03:51 AM #1
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    Default Cooking with oils is bad?

    I've heard that it's bad to cook with oils, because it releases free radicals which can have a destructive effect on the body. Does anyone know anything about this?
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  2. Jan 16th, 2006 03:51 AM #2
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    CC should know.

    I know cooking with flaxoil is bad.
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  3. Jan 16th, 2006 03:53 AM #3
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    Yes. Heating most oils results in a toxic mutation;they become unstable. I have discussed this extensively on this forum and will look for links to threads.
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  4. Jan 16th, 2006 03:54 AM #4
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Thanks-

    So, oils should only be eaten cold then, like on salads?

    I learn something new everyday.
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  5. Jan 16th, 2006 04:13 AM #5
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Most of the time, I prepare my family's food (or my client's) and add good oils after heating, to enhance flavor and for toher reasons.


    Here are assorted threads where I discuss heating oils.

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthr...oxic#post74398

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthr...oxic#post20879

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthr...oxic#post17120

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthr...oxic#post10880

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthr...oxic#post10736

    http://veganforum.com/forums/showthr...toxic#post5515
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  6. Jan 16th, 2006 04:23 AM #6
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Thanks CC- I checked them out.

    There is something that confuses me- when you buy oils are some of them already cooked-- so I should only buy "cold-pressed" oils? Or should I just not heat oils?
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  7. Jan 16th, 2006 04:26 AM #7
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    You have good questions! The process by which oils are extracted is very important. Always buy cold pressed oils. Look up "Udo Erasmus" at your library to see if any of his writings on oils are available.
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  8. Jan 16th, 2006 04:45 AM #8
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Thanks, I will.
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  9. Jan 16th, 2006 10:30 AM #9
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    i usauly cook with avacado oil!
    ill stop n add itafterwards! thanks CC
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  10. Jan 16th, 2006 12:57 PM #10
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    What are we supose to cook with without oil? Would the food burn to the pan?
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  11. Jan 16th, 2006 02:10 PM #11
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Yeah, I was just thinking that Tigerlily.

    And also, if we add it to our food when it's cooked, surely the temperature of the food could still cause mutations? Is it the temperature of the oil or the duration of it being heated that causes it to be unstable?
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  12. Jan 16th, 2006 02:23 PM #12
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    i've found for some things (not all) i can start off by dry-frying them on a low heat and they start to release some of their own juices and then i can turn the heat up if i need to as they wont stick now
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  13. Jan 16th, 2006 02:57 PM #13
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    ^^Exactly, Cedar. Also, adding water, vegetable stock, marinades etc. does the trick as well! Dry-frying, steaming, baking or braising is the way to go!
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  14. Jan 16th, 2006 03:01 PM #14
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    Quote Span
    And also, if we add it to our food when it's cooked, surely the temperature of the food could still cause mutations? Is it the temperature of the oil or the duration of it being heated that causes it to be unstable?
    Unless you serve your soup at a boil, you should be fine Adding oils, if desired, to your plate of food is a good way to ensure you are getting only a small serving and that the oil is not brought to great temperatures. It's the high cooking temperatures and the prolonged high temperatures causing the oils to degrade and become unstable that makes them toxic.
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  15. Jan 16th, 2006 03:07 PM #15
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Thanks very much CC it's all good to know
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  16. Jan 16th, 2006 04:02 PM #16
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Yay! I don't have to feel bad about pouring my flax oil over my steamed veggies now (the only way I like my flax).
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  17. Jan 16th, 2006 04:32 PM #17
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    2 more burning questions:

    -Don't all cake/cookie recipes call for oil of some kind? Can you make them without?


    -Also, if things like nuts naturally contain oil in them, can they not be cooked? So only raw nuts are healthy to eat?
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  18. Jan 16th, 2006 05:13 PM #18
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Quote thecatspajamas1
    2 more burning questions:

    -Don't all cake/cookie recipes call for oil of some kind? Can you make them without?


    -Also, if things like nuts naturally contain oil in them, can they not be cooked? So only raw nuts are healthy to eat?
    Yes and yes!

    Keep in mind that eating a bit of cooked oils (and oil containing foods such as nuts and seeds) is far less toxic than 98% of what the average person eats. Still, to answer directly, nearly all cooked oils reach a point where they become rancid, difficult to digest and toxic and so it is best to avoid them or eat foods/oils/oil containing foods that have oils which can withstand heat without mutating as much or as rapidly.
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  19. Jan 16th, 2006 05:15 PM #19
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    Quote Tigerlily
    Yay! I don't have to feel bad about pouring my flax oil over my steamed veggies now (the only way I like my flax).
    My family LOVES it that way! I also press several cloves of garlic, crack some fresh pepper and juice a lemon or a lime, zest a bit of the peel, splash in a bit of umeboshi (or a pinch of natural salt) and add flax oil...over steamed veggies this is the BEST!!!
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  20. Jan 16th, 2006 06:19 PM #20
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    So what could replace the oil in a baked goods recipe- juice, maybe?
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  21. Jan 16th, 2006 06:35 PM #21
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    apple sauce, pureed plums/re-hydrated prunes, silken tofu, regular tofu and don't forget your "egg replacer" to have it rise effectively:

    General baking: 2 tbsp water + 1 tbsp oil + 2 tsp baking powder

    1 banana or 1/4 cup apple sauce plus 1/3 tsp baking powder for each egg called for in a sweet, baked recipe

    1 egg:1 tbsp ground flax seed mixed in 3 tbsp water (let sit for a few minutes)
    Ener-G Egg Replacer: One whole egg = 1 tsp powder + 2 tbsp liquid

    Tofu: To substitute for one egg in a recipe, mash 1/4 cup tofu and add (works well for "Quiche")

    Now, I'm not gonna lie...fat makes everything taste better, but we are talking about health here not decadent deliciousness Just know the cakes will *not* taste the same without oil!
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  22. Jan 16th, 2006 06:41 PM #22
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    What about oil in bread? (homemade bread).
    "Do what you can with what you have where you are."
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  23. Jan 16th, 2006 07:02 PM #23
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    When I was in Sadhna Forest,Auroville(Pondicherry-India), I enjoyed everything cooked without oil. They used water instead oil. It was healthy plus vegan. Most refined oil are highly processed. But here at home, I got again addicted to Oil,deepfrying. I know it is not good for health

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  24. Jan 16th, 2006 08:10 PM #24
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Now, let's say the only heated oils we eat were from baked good which we only ate like once a month? That wouldn't be so bad, right?
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  25. Jan 17th, 2006 06:35 PM #25
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    Quote ConsciousCuisine
    apple sauce, pureed plums/re-hydrated prunes, silken tofu, regular tofu and don'f forget your "egg replacer" to have it rise effectively:

    General baking: 2 tbsp water + 1 tbsp oil + 2 tsp baking powder

    1 banana or 1/4 cup apple sauce plus 1/3 tsp baking powder for each egg called for in a sweet, baked recipe

    1 egg:1 tbsp ground flax seed mixed in 3 tbsp water (let sit for a few minutes)
    Ener-G Egg Replacer: One whole egg = 1 tsp powder + 2 tbsp liquid

    Tofu: To substitute for one egg in a recipe, mash 1/4 cup tofu and add (works well for "Quiche")

    Now, I'm not gonna lie...fat makes everything taste better, but we are talking about health here not decadent deliciousness Just know the cakes will *not* taste the same without oil!
    Wow, im gonna make quiche!! Yummy. CC, you is just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO strikingly clever.
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  26. Feb 25th, 2006 08:10 AM #26
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    One who is living without Oil, should naturally increase intake of Sesame Seeds( Tahini), Soyabean( Tofu,Milk), Almond( Milk or butter), Fresh Pea Nuts, Olive, Sunflower Seeds,Coconuts,Mustard etc.

    Do you agree CC to this?

    I think it is more better and healthy options.

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  27. Feb 25th, 2006 02:07 PM #27
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    I almost NEVER cook with oils.. if i'm frying stuff i'll either try to get some water and some moisture from the veggies, or i'll use applesauce or ground flax if i'm baking.. you can make some AWESOME bars if you use applesauce or flax in the place of oil..
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  28. Mar 5th, 2007 10:12 AM #28
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    Default Re: Cooking with oils is bad?

    I heard that cooking with saturated oils such as coconut oil is better as they are more stable at higher temperatures? Does anyone know is this is correct? I don't really cook with oils much anyway but I might cut it out completely if this is wrong.
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  29. Mar 5th, 2007 10:30 AM #29
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    Stezzy-- http://www.fatfreevegan.com/
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