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    We found lots of health food shops dotted about the place and there's a fantastic health food shop in Kinvara and another in Killkoe as well that also does brilliant wooden toys.
    Yes, I like the Killaloe one. Not a bad little village, either!

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    But we did find food for thought though and kind of wished we waited until we got to the quay. The food wasn't that great and the in laws ordered baked potato which was tiny with even tinier amount of filling. Whilst I had the vegan shepards pie. I quite enjoyed it but it wasn't heated up enough and quite a tiny portion for the price.
    I agree with you there. I thought we went on an off day!

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    We almost went to these lovely homely stonecutters family restaurants that are dotted around county Clare as they do veggie meals as well and they were very open to dietary requirements.
    Hmmm. I don't know the ones you mean. I'll investigate. Thanks for the tip.

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    So again thanks barry and DavidT for your help. We really enjoyed Ireland and no doubt we will be back.
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    Killaloe not Kilkoe haha sorry. Duh! and yes rather nice village indeed. I like how all the villages and towns have awards for being clean. Wish it was the same over here. Not a sight of litter anywhere. Well maybe all except for the car hire place on the verges. But other than that wow, lovely and clean.

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    Glad you enjoyed yourself Bellybuddha, I have to say I agree with you both about Food For Thought, it's not great. I haven't eaten there in about three years myself, which probaby tells its own story. It does seem to be very popular with a lot of people though..
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    Irish elections: Can we fucking have one please?
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    This is a continuation of a topic raised in the UK elections thread that I though would be better here.

    Harpy, it's hard to say why or how the green party managed to get into power in Ireland. I'd like to think that it was on green issues but the truth is that I don't think the average Irish person is overly concerned by such things. I suspect it may have been the fact that the people who did vote for them were fed up with just about everyone else. I voted for them and regret it now, they completely sold out. Any other Irish peeps have opinions on their (relative) success in our last elections?
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    Harpy, it's hard to say why or how the green party managed to get into power in Ireland.
    Well obviously (to me!) they did get a few TDs and FF wanted support; it really seems as simple as that! Plus I suspect FF saw the Greens as a pushover, which has turned out to be the case.

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    I'd like to think that it was on green issues but the truth is that I don't think the average Irish person is overly concerned by such things.
    No, it wasn't at all on green issues. You're right, the average Sean or Seamus is FF or FG, just like the daddy. Witness the split after the election within grass roots greens; I voted against going in but knew in my heart it was a lost cause. The top bods were were hungry for power and were prepared to sacrifice principles for realpolitik.

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    I suspect it may have been the fact that the people who did vote for them were fed up with just about everyone else.
    Hmmmm...dunno. There are plenty of left-leaning parties to support if you don't like FF or FG which don't carry the Greens' baggage: SWP, SP, SF, Labour etc. Maybe you're right; non-Irish (there are loads of naturalised Germans in east Clare, for instance - it is known as a bit 'hippie'!) would be more likely to vote Green than natives.

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    I voted for them and regret it now, they completely sold out.
    So did I and I agree with you. My heart is still green but I'm not interested in the business-as-usual pursuits of the suited Greens, such as electric cars or bio-fuels and I absolutely detest this car scrappage scheme almost as much as the bailing out of the banks, which the Greens go along with.

    What happens when the scrappage scheme runs out? The Bill Cullens will be whining again wanting government handouts, no doubt because they want to kick start the electric car thing with my money.

    I follow other parties' activities when I can: the socialist parties have something to offer but their membership is tiny and they all seem to be concerned with growth, the one thing that we should not, can not, pursue again.

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    Any other Irish peeps have opinions on their (relative) success in our last elections?
    Well, during the next election, I reckon, unless some black swan comes along, the Greens will be hammered; I don't think FF will do as badly as people think because people are awful loyal to them. They could do with a rest anyway so they can blame the current opposition for the shit that's coming down the line!

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    Well obviously (to me!) they did get a few TDs and FF wanted support; it really seems as simple as that! Plus I suspect FF saw the Greens as a pushover, which has turned out to be the case.
    Totally agree, I meant that they had a bit of an upswing in popularity in that election, to put them in the position to be Fianna Fails lapdogs. I was wondering what inspired that.

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    There are plenty of left-leaning parties to support if you don't like FF or FG which don't carry the Greens' baggage: SWP, SP, SF, Labour
    I would have previously voted labour, but remember feeling so frustrated with every party at the time that I used my vote on what I would previously have seen as a 'wasted vote'.

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    the socialist parties have something to offer but their membership is tiny and they all seem to be concerned with growth, the one thing that we should not, can not, pursue again.
    I wish there was a viable socialist alternative in Ireland, I really do....

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    Well, during the next election, I reckon, unless some black swan comes along, the Greens will be hammered
    Totally 100% agree.

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    I don't think FF will do as badly as people think because people are awful loyal to them
    I think they're screwed, my mother - a lifelong FF cheerleader, has vowed to never vote for them again!
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    I think they're screwed, my mother - a lifelong FF cheerleader, has vowed to never vote for them again!
    Woo-hoo! Maith an mháthair!

    I think politicians generally become disconnected from reality. They get paid - and paid well - while all around them are losing their jobs, getting pay cuts or, at best, not getting properly rewarded for their work.

    Then they have the cheek to hand over literally billions of our money to rich people!

    The billions put into failed institutions could have wiped out all personal debt and covered most savings and we could have started afresh with a nationalised bank with no need for NAMA. That's too radical for most. Instead John and Jane Doe are saddled with debts they can never, ever repay and neither can their children.

    Of course, whatever government was in power at the time would have run with the pack so blaming FF/Green is simply convenient.

    We as a species are on the downward slope of available cheap fossil energy and this has a direct impact on this illusory 'growth'. The two are inextricably linked and so this 'double dip' recession, in my view, is only to be expected. The future is a downward roller-coaster.

    Wait for the 'triple dip' to be mentioned!

    Rant over.

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    Sorry, have only just found this. Yes I was really wondering how the greens got so many people to vote for them in the first place. Of course if we had PR here then we would have more green MPs as well, but I think people here do vote for them mainly on environmental grounds (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about that), and I had any idea it was different in some other countries.

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    The PR system helps enormously, harpy. Apparently England is to have a referendum about the AV system, a variation of Ireland's STV system.

    I predict it won't be accepted, mainly because it's a more complex system than the current one. You have a lot of Sun readers who'd dismiss it!

    Actually, the voting part of AV is simple; understanding how your preferences are counted is more difficult but not to anyone with a brain.

    The Tories are against PR. Think about it. They wouldn't have seats in Wales without PR!

    The Greens will not dominate now or in the future. The measures necessary to clean up this world are unacceptable. The pale Greens in the Irish government even get berated for the tiny greening-up successes they have.
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    I predict it won't be accepted, mainly because it's a more complex system than the current one. You have a lot of Sun readers who'd dismiss it!
    Not sure, and haven't got time to check at the moment because of pesky work, but I had an idea that a majority of the electorate here was in favour of PR. Of course, whether they would actually bother to go and vote for it is another matter The two main parties obviously have a vested interest in making the referendum not happen, or trying to fix the result by the way the question is phrased etc.

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    I have a question for you Blueberries: What are the best health food shops and/or supermarkets for vegan-friendly stuff in Dublin city? I'm moving there shortly and I need to get info! I spend a fair bit of time in Dublin as it is cause the SO does some of her work there, so I know most of the good restaurants and all that kind of stuff, but we rarely cook while we're there. I've kinda found all the supermarkets and health food shops I've used so far to be a bit... lacking.
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    I have a question for you Blueberries: What are the best health food shops and/or supermarkets for vegan-friendly stuff in Dublin city? I'm moving there shortly and I need to get info! I spend a fair bit of time in Dublin as it is cause the SO does some of her work there, so I know most of the good restaurants and all that kind of stuff, but we rarely cook while we're there. I've kinda found all the supermarkets and health food shops I've used so far to be a bit... lacking.
    Heya Barry, what part of Dublin are you moving to? The choice you have in terms of local supermarkets may vary depending on where you're moving to.

    I assume if you've spent time in Dublin you know the health food shops. Down to Earth is probably the best one in the city as its the biggest and does a big range. There are a couple on the south side of the city that I haven't been to simply because I don't spend alot of time there (I'm from the north-side). You're more likely to find Nourish, Holland & Barret or the Health Store in shopping centres if you're not living in the city centre. The Health store is pretty good, as is Nourish but Holland & Barret not so much. I tend to shop between them.

    As for supermarkets it just depends on where you are. You'll get soya yogurts in most, same with milk. Some of the bigger ones sell tofu, most of the smaller ones don't. I know a couple of Supervalu shops near me that sell Swedish Glace! I know it sounds a bit trite but you really just have to shop around. I do my shopping between a few different supermarkets because different ones stock different things. Big supermarkets will obviously have the best choice but I know there aren't too many of them in the city centre. If you are living in the centre I'd recommend the big Tesco on Parnell Square as it'd have the most choice. There's an organic supermarket in Blackrock but I've never been to it, it's not really in my area of the city. I plan on stopping there on the Dart some day soon to investigate!

    I hope that was some help! If you're moving anywhere near me I could probably be more specific about where I shop. Feel free to PM me if you've any other questions.
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    Thanks a million for the info Blueberries, it's much appreciated!

    As much as I look forward to moving to Dublin it's gonna take a bit of getting used to, I live right beside the biggest health food shop in Ireland, which is in turn right beside one of the biggest Tescos in Ireland! I basically have everything I need at my fingertips at the moment, I'm fairly spoiled...
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    I live right beside the biggest health food shop in Ireland, which is in turn right beside one of the biggest Tescos in Ireland!
    Wow, that sounds amazing, why would you move!
    I need to see this health food shop! Have you found that you can get things that you can't get in Dublin?
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    Wow, that sounds amazing, why would you move!
    Yeah, silly.

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    Well it is pretty great I admit, I'm not sure that there's stuff you couldn't get in Dublin, but it's amazing to have access to all the vegan treats you could possibly want under one roof! The only problem is I have to physically restrain myself from overdosing on processed soy....

    I'm moving for loads of reasons, the main ones being that I'll be doing a post-grad in Dublin next year, and Fiona can't get a job here despite being well qualified and experienced (she's a teacher), that's why we're spending a lot of time in Dublin already. Also, I'm 29 and although I've done loads of travelling I've never actually been away from Galway for longer than four months, I think it's time I tried some new things. Not to mention the fact that Galway's been hit pretty hard by the recession and it's getting vaguely depressing here. I think after I finish my post-grad I'll be off to the U.K.

    Oh yeah, and there are bugger all decent drummers in Galway! Haven't been in a real band for two years cause of it, and Galway's officially the wettest county in Ireland.

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    Galway's officially the wettest county in Ireland.
    Haha, the last time I was in Galway was on holidays with my family when I was little and all I remember is that it rained for five straight days! I'll have to pay it another visit, and bring an umbrella!
    Have you any idea which part of the city you'll be living in? Probably depends on what university you're going to.
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    Yeah it's always lashing here!

    Possiblywill live in stoneybatter or drumcondra area I'd say, Fiona rents a room in stoneybatter for the days that she works in Dublin and It seems ok, fairly central and reasonable enough rent. I'll probably be in college in Maynooth which is gonna involve a 45 minute train journey each way every day. A bit annoying but Fiona has to live fairly centrally for substitute work (I wanted to live in Leixlip but that idea got vetoed!).

    I have to say I'm looking forward to the move, there's so much more happening in Dublin, especially in terms of music...

    I'm being a bit harsh on Galway cause I'm bored here, you should definitely pay it another visit, it can be great fun for 'lost weekend' type shennanigans
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    Meta Sterne, John Ford's (of The Quiet Man fame) gofer and PA, was not impressed with much of Ireland during the making of that film, especially the food and the weather.

    But she praised Galway city to the skies, loving the small shops and the beautiful city. That was in the fifties!
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    Vegetarian Family Day

    Location: Bushy Park, Terenure, Dublin 6
    Meet in front of the band stand
    Date: Saturday, 12th June 2pm to 5.30pm
    Young vegetarians and their families, parents who have raised their children, parents-to-be and single people are all welcome. Bring some food to eat and share
    more info - grace@vegetarian.ie

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    If anyone ever happens to be in the Golden Rickshaw chinese in Galway they should have the salt and pepper tofu. I had it last night and it was some of the best tofu I've ever had.
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    Thanks for posting this information. I may be going on a trip to Ireland in the near future.


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    The last time I visited Dublin, which was six years ago, I bought some Gill's dairy-free soda bread from Tesco of all places, so naturally I e-mailed Tesco here when I got back, but just got the standard 'we'll stock it if there is any demand' type reply. Incidentally, no-one in Blazing Salads had heard of soda bread when I asked, though they had plenty of decidedly non-Irish style breads on sale.

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    I remember that bread well alright. I don't think it exists anymore, I haven't seen it in about 2-3 years. If it is out of production it's a pity as it was really nice bread.

    On an unrelated note, I went to the George street Yamamori yesterday for lunch and it was deadly. About 4-5 meals were vegan (or could be veganised). I had the tofu steak, it was lovely although nothing like tofu steak I've had in other Japanese restaurants. The portion was enourmous, and I couldn't finish it (a rarity for me). The staff were great as well, no problems checking with the chef about ingredients. Two thumbs up!
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    So, been living in Dublin for a month as of today. The restaurants are great, so many really good vegan friendly places. The supermarkets/health food shops are rubbish though! It's so hard to find stuff like Fry's products and other vegan goodies. I was charged 2.60 for a tub of Pure in Nourish at the weekend, it's 95 cent in Galway!
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    It's the same here - the better wholefood shop in town sold Pure Organic at €4.25 when the dreaded Tesco had it at €1.95! It's academic now that the line doesn't exist now but I did complain to the w/f people about it at the time. I'd much rather give my money to them than Trashco but you have to wonder what's going on.

    And get this: Dove's Farm organic flour is €1.19 a kilo and has to travel hundreds of miles to get here. Ballybrado organic flour is €2.60 a kilo and comes from Tipperary, about fifty miles from me. - just one more idiocy.

    I'm a 101% ardent organic fan - thus while I am subsidising toxic pharming through my taxes, I'm also paying through the nose for organic stuff; there has to be a better way! Ireland is not cheap, food-wise and I would love to see more of this pasture/silage land given over to good home-produced food, despite the Doves Farm/Ballybrado anomaly.
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    he better wholefood shop in town sold Pure Organic at €4.25 when the dreaded Tesco had it at €1.95!
    That is outrageous! You're right though, I'd still rather buy it there than in tesco.
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    So, opinions on Biffo 'Dutch Gold' Cowen?
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    Get the M+S own brand dairy free spread its €1.19! They have the Frys stuff in the Nourish on Wicklow St in town. Have you checked the food co-op out yet?

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    Get the M+S own brand dairy free spread its €1.19! They have the Frys stuff in the Nourish on Wicklow St in town. Have you checked the food co-op out yet?

    You legend, I'm absolutely dying for a Fry's traditional burger!

    The food co-op is on my list of things to do alright, I take it that it's worth a trip?
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    ^ Yes, its a cool place to hang out on a Saturday morning with a coffee and brunch. They have food stalls where you can go and buy what you fancy then sit in the cafe scoffing it. On a Saturday they have organic fruit and veg farmers and you can get your staples in the grocery shop.

    They do open Sundays now and have different markets on throughout the month. I am a member and also on the help rota so you might see me stocking the shelves one weekend!

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    Sounds really good, might take a trip out there this weekend. Say hello if you recognise me from my avatar.
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    Just back from Juice on George St., which proudly proclaims itself to be 'Dublin's only sit-down vegetarian restaurant'. The menu is great, with almost all the food being vegan friendly. We didn't have starters but went straight for the mains. I had mushroom and tofu wellington with mashed root veg, broccoli and red wine gravy, while Fiona had tofu and veg satay with brown rice. The first thing I'll say is that the food was delicious, no complaints there. My portion, however, was ridiculously tiny, more akin to a starter than anything else. I got two pieces of broccoli, two! That combined with the tiny portion of wellington and the one scoop of mash was simply not good enough, I was hungry dammit! Fiona's satay portion was perfect however, she actually couldn't finish it. Strange... Anyway, worth a look despite the portion size because the food was delicious. The mains were €12.50 each.
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    Heya I noticed that this thread hasn't been active for a while. I'm not living in Ireland at the moment but will be back later in the year, so if anything of vegan interest is happening, let me know!
    Barry, I assume you've discovered that most supermarkets in Dublin now sell Pure spread, not just Tesco! Juice is really nice, I agree that the portions can be on the small side but I'm only wee myself so it doesn't bother me too much! Do they still have the veg fried rice with tempeh? That stuff is amazing! If you haven't found somewhere near you that sells Fry's stuff ask your local health food shop to order it in, I worked in a health food shop for a while, special orders are a pretty common occurance. Have you been to the co-op yet? I've never been, I really want to go when I get back, again it's just not in my part of the city. Also, the less said about Brian Cowen the better
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    Hey Blueberries, finally got to grips with Dublin's tiny confusing health food shops alright! Where are you based these days anyway?

    Juice still have that tempeh dish, I might give it a try on your recommendation, I've never been mad on tempeh though... Still haven't got down to the co-op, I've two weeks off starting on Sunday though and I've promised myself that I'm going to get there!
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    Heh everyone. New here and thought I'd introduce myself here first as I'm from Dublin. :] Still adjusting to everything vegan so any recommendations for where to shop, or things to try would be appreciated! Thanks

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    Hey Mercy, good to see another Dublin based vegan here. Where to start! Blueberries is probably the best person to give you advice, seeing as she's from Dublin and she's worked in health food shops here. From my own perspective, after six months here, I find Dublin ok to be vegan in. It's fantastic for restaurants, there really is amazing choice - cornucopia, fresh, juice, and an endless number of Indian, Chinese, Italian places that you can check out.

    I don't find it great for health food shops though, they're too small and too spread out, there is very little selection on offer and they're all hidiously over-priced. I had it too good in Galway, I lived beside the biggest health-food superstore in Ireland! Anyway, in Dublin your best bet is either the nourish chain or Down to Earth on George street. Apparantly the Co-op is great but I haven't made it there yet. I do most of my shopping in Tesco and in the Asian supermarkets on Capel Street.

    There's loads more (probably better) info throughout this thread that you can look at, and I can post a more in-depth response for you later on, but unfortunately it's time for me to go get the bus to Maynooth!
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    Hey, thanks for the reply. I didn't think about Indian and Chinese restaurants - do they label their menu's so you know what's vegan, or do you have to ask? I'm a bit shy about asking these things still as I don't know how people usually respond.

    I've been into some health food shops and they do seem quite expensive. I'm in Galway from time to time so maybe I'll check out that shop you mentioned there and stock up I didn't know there was any alternative to the small places around Dublin.

    Also hadn't thought of the Asian supermarkets either so thanks for all the recommendations!

    I'll have a proper look through the thread soon too.

    Again thanks for the reply

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    No worries. I wish Chinese and Indian places labelled their stuff vegan! A lot of veggie dishes in both types of restaurants are, or can be made, vegan. There's loads of info on that kind of stuff throughout this site. You'll have to get used to asking about ingredients in restaurants if you want to eat out, it really does become second nature very quickly, I used to be a bit shy too, not anymore!

    That shop in Galway is called Evergreen and it's in the Galway Shopping Centre. I never fully appreciated how good it was til I left..

    Any other questions don't hesitate to ask, although, like I said, Blueberries will be a lot more useful than me, I feel like I've just found my feet in Dublin recently.

    p.s If you haven't eaten out yet, my first stop would be Cornucopia. It's affordable, delicious, and everthing is labelled as vegan. The veggie breakfasts are great and the potato salad is unreal!
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    Our beautiful country has, and will continue to be, overrun by extremists. Extremists of the right wing, I despair for us, we had a chance to change. Gene Kerrigan is far more succinct than I:

    WE'VE just seen an election campaign that was virtually politics-free. It was all about polls and constituency profiles, the 'Gilmore Gale' and rehearsed soundbites, phoney 'plans' and meaningless slogans like 'Get Ireland back to work'. Yet, we are drowning as a result of politics. Bad politics. Politics that contrives to remain invisible behind the shadow boxing.
    After the debacles of the past few years, how could the political establishment -- government and opposition -- have the nerve to continue in public life? The same question might be asked of their media cheerleaders and academic groupies. A train driver who did to a train what they did to the country would be forced to take up a new line of business.



    The answer, of course, lies in the unswerving ability of the political right to erase uncomfortable facts from their records. They made mush of the economy; they then put the banks before the citizens; they sabotaged the real economy; they scapegoated the poorest. Each step was cheered by the groupies, and in turn each step made things worse.
    After an election campaign that consisted largely of manufactured disagreements, we now dump Mr Nasal Congestion and welcome Five-Point Enda -- and the policies that are killing hope have new wind in their sails.



    Erasing uncomfortable facts is done gradually. Have you noticed, for instance, how the Progressive Democrats are being airbrushed from history? Last week, Mary Hanafin boasted of Fianna Fail's ability to work within coalitions -- and she instanced their (relatively brief) partnerships with Labour and the Greens. Not a mention of the PDs, with whom she shared a cosy and disastrous coalition for a dozen years.
    Last week the Irish Independent published a helpful supplement that listed the vote breakdown over 30 years -- and the PDs weren't featured. In tiny italic font at the bottom of the chart, we learned that the PDs are now anonymously lumped in under "Others".



    Recently in this newspaper, ex-PD leader Michael McDowell called for the formation of a new party, once the election is out of the way. And Mickey Mac never once reminded us of -- oh, it's on the tip of my tongue, what's the name of the party he dumped unceremoniously when he lost his seat on election night in 2007? From 1997 onwards, there was an unmistakable surge to the right in Irish politics, culminating in the blast of right-wing policies that inflated the credit bubble from around 2000 and led directly to the collapse of the economy. It was a huge right-wing development grounded in a neo-liberal philosophy fashionable elsewhere. It will have consequences for generations. Instead of recognising this, the media went along with the fiction that Ireland has a left wing but no right wing.



    The PDs came, wrecked the joint, then disappeared into the past, with their bloated pensions. Their right-wing extremism was eagerly soaked up within FF and FG. Rather than admit to applying, with disastrous results, a coherent set of right-wing principles -- the establishment now glosses things over. They use phrases like "mistakes were made" and, "we got some things wrong". The pretence is that they were merely a bunch of happy-go-lucky folks who just did what they thought was right at the time.
    No matter how extremist their right-wing policies are, these parties are portrayed as "the centre". Anything outside is alien, disruptive, loony. Meaningful debate is sidelined, this is "the only game in town".
    Here's a question that could have been asked of Mr Nasal Congestion, Brian Bailout or Five-Point Enda at any time over the past couple of years: "It was doctrinaire right-wing policies that collapsed the economy -- what makes you believe that your current right-wing solutions won't make things worse?"



    Not a chance that question would be asked. Even though, at every stage of this crisis, the off-the-peg right-wing policies prescribed by the two Brians, in consultation with their EU masters, have indeed made things measurably worse.
    The media can routinely -- and accurately -- refer to the "left-wing sensibilities" of people like Joe Higgins and Richard Boyd Barrett. Nothing wrong with that. But broadcasters and writers would be admonished if they routinely referred to FF or FG's "right-wing sensibilities".
    This is not an accident.
    Joe Higgins is in the Socialist Party. The name is on the tin. A whole lot of people are in the United Left Alliance -- you know where they stand. Ditto the Workers' Party. The Greens or even Labour give a hint of an ideological complexion. But the right-wing policies of McCreevy, Ahern, Kenny and Varadkar come clothed in party names drawn from a semi-mystical Gaelic past.



    When Michael McDowell and his fellow rightists formed a party in the Eighties, they might have called themselves the Free Market Extremists. Instead, they were the Progressive Democrats. (Everyone wants progress, everyone needs democracy.)



    Notions of populist nationalism -- beloved of old FF -- were swept away by the apparent success of the Celtic Tiger period. A generation of politicians eagerly adopted half-baked and wholly-swallowed right-wing platitudes -- chop the tax base, privatise, deregulate, unleash the rich. They sucked relentlessly on these ideological soothers, regardless of circumstance or outcome.
    Listen to Simon Coveney, agog at the prospect of getting into government, aching to try out his right-wing bromides on the transport system. He sounds like a child who has spent too long playing at DIY, with rubber hammers and plastic saws. Now, God help us, he's about to be let loose with an array of power tools.



    His earnestness is reminiscent of that of Mary Harney, full of good intentions and right-wing claptrap, as she set forth to consolidate the two-tier health service. Fine Gael is awash with this new breed -- about to engage in another grotesque experiment, putting into practice the set of assumptions and prescriptions they picked up at business school lectures and the dinner parties of wealthy patrons.
    And the unwritten ban on putting those assumptions and proscriptions into context allows them all to pretend that there's no connection between the policies that caused the debacle, and the policies that made it worse over the past two years. And certainly no connection to the policies to come from Five-Point Enda and Weak Breeze Gilmore.



    The left didn't help. When the media demanded, "But, where will we get the money", the left tried to answer in those terms, as though we're faced with a knotty little accounting problem. There is no answer to that question, as long as we're unwilling to confront the realities of wealth and inequality, of dead banks and the relationship between this little bit of an economy and the brutal right-wing policies dictated by panicky EU mandarins.
    We stumbled uncertainly out of the Age of Ahern, gasped in disbelief through every development of the Cowen Chapter. Now, we nervously enter the Enda Era. The faces change, but the dread-laden establishment's faith in those right-wing assumptions and proscriptions remains as strong as ever, even as the debacle deepens.



    And those assumptions and proscriptions, largely unremarked and unacknowledged, concealing their extremism in centrist language, drastically limit our options. Oh, no, giving billions to banks isn't extremist! We just want to boost freedom, and enterprise and nice stuff like that!
    Cue Kevin Spacey, at the end of the movie The Usual Suspects: "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."


    For Shame Ireland. For shame.
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    The answer, of course, lies in the unswerving ability of the political right to erase uncomfortable facts from their records. They made mush of the economy; they then put the banks before the citizens; they sabotaged the real economy; they scapegoated the poorest. Each step was cheered by the groupies, and in turn each step made things worse.
    The PDs came, wrecked the joint, then disappeared into the past, with their bloated pensions. Their right-wing extremism was eagerly soaked up within FF and FG
    is earnestness is reminiscent of that of Mary Harney, full of good intentions and right-wing claptrap, as she set forth to consolidate the two-tier health service. Fine Gael is awash with this new breed -- about to engage in another grotesque experiment, putting into practice the set of assumptions and prescriptions they picked up at business school lectures and the dinner parties of wealthy patrons.
    there was an unmistakable surge to the right in Irish politics, culminating in the blast of right-wing policies that inflated the credit bubble from around 2000 and led directly to the collapse of the economy.
    It was doctrinaire right-wing policies that collapsed the economy
    For those who couldn't be arsed reading the whole thing.
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    No need for a summary, Barry, I read the whole thing and, while you're more eloquent than I, you're saying what I'm feeling.

    How could the Irish make such a mistake? Tweedledum was bad enough, but are the electorate so daft as to not see what Tweedledumber are all about? I didn't think so, but now I'm wondering.

    The most sensible (from a policy point of view) 'coalition' now would be Fine Gael and Fianna Fail! What policy difference is there between the two, apart from degree?
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    Sorry, I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here. I'm just pissed off.

    The most sensible (from a policy point of view) 'coalition' now would be Fine Gael and Fianna Fail! What policy difference is there between the two, apart from degree?
    Zero as far as I can see.
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    Hey Blueberries, finally got to grips with Dublin's tiny confusing health food shops alright! Where are you based these days anyway?

    Juice still have that tempeh dish, I might give it a try on your recommendation
    I'm living in Barcalona at the moment, there's a really good vegan scene out here and I can get vital wheat gluten
    But yeah, do try it if you're near Juice. I'm not the world's biggest tempeh fan either, but when it's cooked right it's great!
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    Hey everyone. Anyone have suggestions for vegan makeup I can buy in Dublin? I'd need to be able to try it first. Just looking for a foundation.

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    Hey everyone. Anyone have suggestions for vegan makeup I can buy in Dublin? I'd need to be able to try it first. Just looking for a foundation.
    Here's the link to the Irish vegan Society's cosmetics page http://veganireland.vegaplanet.org/cosmetics.php

    Barry M is available in Boots or Superdrug, Urban Decay I'd say you could get in Arnotts or Debenhams and if you're in the city you should try the Nourish on Liffey Street, they have a good selection of cosmetics.



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    Just to let you know that we have a 'pot luck' evening the first Thursday in each month hosted by ClareVegGroup here in the Banner county of Clare, way beyond the Pale.

    Everybody is welcome. Yes, everybody; the food's not restricted to vegans and vegetarians! Actually the food people bring nearly always turns out to be vegan.

    Everyone who has attended so far has a different viewpoint on veg*nism but the emphasis is on good food, chat and getting to know new friends. It's good fun too.

    Anyone who wants to come along and/or contribute, stay in touch with vegalicious. The venue changes most months.
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    hey, we are trying to network and get vegan FB pages up for each county in ireland so we can try to connect vegans with other vegans here and organize some concrete advocacy/activism, so please join us! It seems we are sparse here in this country and many of us feeling isolated from any sort of concrete face-to-face interactions with other vegans, so we are trying to rectify that

    thanks

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