Teetotal, no alcohol - support

[Antonia]

ive been teetotal for 3 years now...... i did it bcos one side of my family are alcoholics and one person in particular.....alcohol in moderation, i have no problem with. but i dont see the point in changing your personality when u go out to have a good time.. love who u r, and have the confidence to go out and have fun without having to induce it with alcohol.
prilly xxx

First of all, congrats! Secondly, I couldn't agree more. My mum was an alchi throughout my teenage years, and it was tough. Certainly when it came to bringing bf's home. I figured if they loved me enough the'd put up with it. It was also nice that they new what was going on, so I had their support. My brother went the opposite way and never bought anyone home, subsequently he's got fewer people to talk to about it.

The best times I've had out (parties etc) have been when I wasn't drinking. It's great when you can get high on the energy and having a good time. It does take confidence though. Especially if you're already not participating in the BBQ/snacks etc.

[Antonia]

...If one group of friends were doing an activity, and one group were going to the pub, I'd always opt to go with the doing something option....
Snap, Antonia, sun-bathing is my little vice too. Well, we all need some lovely Vitamin D.

snap, snap, snap! Sunbathing rocks! I find it acts as an appetite supressant too, and it's just as fulfilling as comfort eating/drinking has ever been. I believe that as long as you don't over do it or burn there's no harm done.

I too prefer to do something other than just go to the pub. A nice pub garden isn't so bad though.

[Antonia]

It can be tough to be a teetotaler in a culture that is so pro-alcohol.

or vegan in a society that's pro-meat... I think it gets easier with time. I'm 6 months vegan and it feels like I always have been now. It's a lot easier, and I'm a lot more confident about being vegan in a meat-eating society. Since I started this thread about 3 weeks ago my tee-total confidence has grown hugely. It's been tough though. Like when I told my dad and he seemed to think that you HAVE to drink some alcohol (in moderation) and sarcasticly responded with 'do you still drink water'? That hurt, because not drinking is nothing but good for me and I thought he'd be happy that I'm being proactive about my health and doing what I want and what's important to me.

[VeganJohn]

I know what it's like if you are not a big drinker and get pressured to 'get wasted' by friends or people you are out with. I like a few drinks on a Friday night but try and avoid situations and people that expect you to drink lots of alcohol just for the sake of it. I sometimes go to the pub with friends during the week and happily sit there sipping an orange. Healthier and a heck of a lot cheaper too :>

[Maisiepaisie]

Being teetotal is pretty mainstream in the vegan community. Recently I went to the AR gathering with several friends and there were more of us not drinking than those who were. I rarely drink but I did on that occasion as I needed the confidence to ask someone out

[VeganJohn]

Dutch courage indeed

I never get really drunk anymore, but do like a few social drinks with friends at the weekend. I never drink in the house.

[Apple_Blossem]

-I did read a medical site that said red wine is healthy - but it went on to say that if you can eat red grapes, then that's even better because you arent eating something fermented.

Also, it is very VERY easy to identify those who drink alcohol because their body odor and perspiration smell like toxins. If your perspiration smells like you are unhealthy, then this is probably a warning sign that you are poisoning yourself in trace amounts. Also, people who drink a little alcohol on weekends are easy to spot - their skin and complexion look aged and dehydrated. You'll notice small premature creases in the skin -- almost like someone who has spent several years using sun lamps.

Also, why would people vomit up alcohol if they have drank too much of it? We don't vomit up candy (and this is unhealthy!) when we've eaten too much ...or potatos... or even milk! For someone to vomit something up -- that is the body's natural response to a poison that the body quickly recognizes is a toxic.

Search for "Alcohol and liver damage" -- and read the results. You are putting only a few drops of poison into your system (beers, etc) every few weeks. Although you wont notice the different now, you will after years of this treatment on the body.

Here is some info I found on medical sights:

-Can "social drinkers" get alcoholic hepatitis?
Yes. Alcoholic hepatitis occurs in people who are not alcoholics. People vary greatly in the way their liver reacts to alcohol.

-Alcohol has a dehydrating effect, and the traditional hangover arrives partly as a result.

There is probably a lot more if you dig for it.

[Apple_Blossem]

COOL EXPERIMENT - Watch how Alcohol damages body cells

I also did an experiment where I cooked an egg white with only strong alcohol.

I did this for fun ...and some of you might find it fun to do as well just to see the results. I found it on a medical website. It was to show why there is a higher risk of cancer of the mouth and esophagus for people who consume alcohol. Because cancer is mutated/damaged cells, this experiment shows why:

Buy stronger alcohol for faster results. I used 45%, but for even cooler results, buy high as you can get. Then crack open an egg in a bowl and pour in a half cup or cup of alcohol...enough so that it covers the egg white. Don't break the yolk! Within minutes, the egg white will start turning from clear to a white-ish - and you can see how alcohol damages the body's cells.

Of course, most people on this forum are not considering drinking 180 proof or 90 proof. However, with low doses of alcohol being continually poured over the extremely delicate cells of the body, I would not consider a healthy practice -- and I dont care IF medical people condone it -- they also say that it's fine to eat meat & dairy (which raises the risk of Osteoporosis by 90%, heart disease by 80% and various cancers by 60%)... and they also say it's fine to drink diet sodas that contain Aspartame (which is known for causing 92 different health problems and diseases - and which is the cause of 80% of all health-related complaints in the US).


So, do this experiment and then decide for yourself - because only then you can make a well-informed decision .

Good luck!

[Pilaf]

how about marihuana and straight edge? probably not "allowed" but i dont see how it could be more bad/harmful than caffeine. and if the point of sXe is to not alter the mental state of mind as earlier mentioned, then its more of a religion i suppose...?
is marihuana "allowed" in veganism? it seems like a natural environmental substance, and animal friendly i think?
i have heard that tobacco and alcohol is worse than marihuana so im just thinking about it..
so which is "worse"?

Adherents to Straight Edge use no recreational drugs. This is a clear cut part of the lifestyle, with no room for interpretation. We simply have no use for it.

Of course, most sXe adherents, myself included, are far left liberals and support legalization of cannabis for its many practical uses, and for those people who do want to smoke it in their own homes.

edit: Also, you seem to be a little bit confused about the nature of the Straight Edge lifestyle. It is no organization, and these are not rules. These are simply principles we live by. Many adherents to sXe already had these personal lifestyle values before claiming the title. The title/label is simply beneficial in identifying with others who live the same lifestyle. It's especially useful online, or in the indie music scene, where it's more popularly heard of. It began in Washington DC in the late seventies and early eighties, in hardcore and punk music, but has since spread as a label and a valid lifestyle all over the world. Some kids get into it because it's popular, but they usually don't last. The long term adherents to sXe already had the values before claiming, and simply find the title convenient. I am one of these latter, long term adherents, having claimed at the age of 12. I will be 22 in September, and there's no end in sight for my adherence.

So I think that makes me any better than anyone else? Absolutely not. Am I happy with my life and content with who I am? Absolutely. I'm proud of myself and happy with my lifestyle.

[berta_the_aspie]

ehem. i KNOW what sXe is. i know sXe ppl dont smoke weed. im just trying to find some logic. within the logic.
i never said i had use for marihuana either. oh kool im 22 also, and i went to my first party 10 years ago, but i never even tried any of the stuff i was offered, just didnt get the point of it.

[Haniska]

Buy stronger alcohol for faster results. I used 45%, but for even cooler results, buy high as you can get. Then crack open an egg in a bowl and pour in a half cup or cup of alcohol...enough so that it covers the egg white. Don't break the yolk! Within minutes, the egg white will start turning from clear to a white-ish - and you can see how alcohol damages the body's cells.

Of course, most people on this forum are not considering drinking 180 proof or 90 proof.

Most people on this forum and not considering stealing eggs for experiments.

[Pilaf]

ehem. i KNOW what sXe is. i know sXe ppl dont smoke weed. im just trying to find some logic. within the logic.

How is it anything but logical for sXe adherents not to smoke weed? Where is the lack of logic? Maybe I misunderstood, but I don't get what you're asking.

[zastoi]

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[Mr Flibble]

Most people on this forum and not considering stealing eggs for experiments.

Or for that matter waste large amounts of spirits!!

[zastoi]

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[friend]

Antonia, good luck. It will surely be a good move.Check out any website that comes up when you Google ISLAM AND ALCOHOL...the Muslims are utterly against it's consumption, which, when you see the damage it causes in society, i thoroughly agree with.Best of luck..Friend

[cookey]

Also adding my name to the list. I haven't drunk for something like 15 years. I stopped when I was about 18 after a few years of drinking and probably not long after my first proper hang over! I drank as a one off a couple of years later to see what I was missing and felt awful!
I tried to assess which drugs I could do that would feel the best and make me feel the least worst. I then spent years abusing my poor body and mind with them. Now I haven't taken anything for a few years and can honestly say I feel much happier. I feel it's a shame I wasted so much time and effort devoting myself to that lifestyle.
This doesn't mean I don't enjoy myself, quite the opposite. There are so many things to see and enjoy in life. If we restrict ourselves with drugs and alcohol it sems to limit this experience.
I also saw a talk by Patrick Holford "Natural Highs" and read his book of the same name. It explains what different drugs do to your brain and body and includes things like caffeine and sugar as well. Well worth a read.
It convinced me that drugs were never going to make me happy, somethng I had susupected all along!

[treehugga]

Antonia
I gave up alcohol 7 years ago (I was never a huge drinker) due to migraine.
I don't miss it, but struggle socially if I attend parties etc where everyone is drinking.
I feel like I'm a bit boring sometimes and some people make an issue of it, similar to when you explain you don't eat meat.
Health wise I feel pretty good- drink lots of green and rooibos tea and water.
My hubby doesn't drink either which is great.

[RachelJune]

I used to drink quite a lot and made the decision around a year ago to give up alcohol completely. I never particularly liked the taste, nor the way it made me feel/behave.

I very rarely drink nowadays. In fact I might indulge in a small drink maybe once a month at the most, in social situations. However, I find I feel so much better and healthier when I'm off the alcohol completely

[Antonia]

Antonia, good luck. It will surely be a good move.Check out any website that comes up when you Google ISLAM AND ALCOHOL...the Muslims are utterly against it's consumption, which, when you see the damage it causes in society, i thoroughly agree with.Best of luck..Friend

Thanks a fantastic idea... looking up religious views and information on alcohol. Didn't think of that. Cheers

[Antonia]

Antonia
I gave up alcohol 7 years ago (I was never a huge drinker) due to migraine.
I don't miss it, but struggle socially if I attend parties etc where everyone is drinking.
I feel like I'm a bit boring sometimes and some people make an issue of it, similar to when you explain you don't eat meat.
Health wise I feel pretty good- drink lots of green and rooibos tea and water.
My hubby doesn't drink either which is great.

My bf has actually started drinking a bit more since I quit as I drive when we go out now. I'm sure it's just the novelty value. It's interesting how people use alcohol as a crutch. I never needed it at parties, but I've just started a new job which can be quite tiring (taking people with special needs out, alone), and when I come back home, and everyone's having a beer, I can't say it doen't appeal. But once I've made myself a non-alchi cocktail, or some homemade icecream (or something equally as scrumptious) instead I'm ok.

[owen]

I've recently made the decision to stop drinking alcohol. Support is lacking amongst friends etc. I can't even find any good articles or books. Books seem to be about how to give up drink if you're an alcoholic. Articles seem to recommend drinking in moderation.

I am gradually refining my lifestyle and diet and want to be the best person that I can, which includes doing the best I can for my health and spirituality.

I would love to hear from any other non-drinkers about their experiences, any advice they might have and any suggestions for where to look for more information, particularly about the negative effects of alcohol.

Hi Antonia, all, [really sorry this is so long, my "suggestions" are books and they're at the end, and I've put bold on what might be the most useful ]

I'm just passing through as the result of a google that landed a link to this thread. Interesting topic and I see that some people on here have experience of the problems that alcohol can bring.

I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've been vegetarian for nearly 25 years and earlier this year I changed my diet to very-nearly vegan (1 pint of cow's milk a week). I'm vegetarian on principle and vegan for what amounts to health reasons. In practical terms this means that I never eat animals but I wouldn't freak out if someone offered me a cup of tea with cow's milk in it.

Where to look for stuff about the negative effects of alcohol? For me, that used to be the mirror .

If your interested, a bit about the problem of drinking alcohol compulsively: Some of us are born to alcoholism and some of us train for it. I am the latter sort. If you drink enough of the stuff for long enough you'll become addicted. No one can ever see the line where they go from "social drinker" to "alcoholic". Some people can remain "heavy drinkers" all their life and never become addicted; others can become alcoholic on piddling amounts. You have no way of knowing what sort of person you are. None of us planned "alcoholic" as a career choice. Once you've become an alcoholic, even if we stop drinking, we can never drink "normally" again. Ever. Not even once. Or the whole insanity starts again sooner or later -- this is often very hard to accept.

There are many metaphors and descriptions of this condition. One might be interesting for your thoughts about why abstain from alcohol -- because it highlights the similarities between alcoholic drinking and social drinking -- people usually look for differences. The trap of alcohol addiction is a bit like the trap mechanism of pitcher plant. The fly lands on the plant at the top, it's a very gentle slope at first and the plant offers lovely, sweet nectar. The fly feeds and follows the slope downwards not noticing the little hairs on the plant that don't allow the fly to walk backwards. The slope gradually gets steeper and steeper and eventually the fly sees the digestive liquid at the bottom of the pitcher with the dead bodies of other flies. Danger! If the fly tries to escape now it suddenly discovers that it is too full of sticky nectar and it can't simply fly away to safety. By this stage, the fly is doomed.

If we drink alcohol we are all somewhere on that slope of the pitcher plant. There seems little danger at the top, and by the bottom it's too late. It's really hard to equate taking a little drink every now and then with the drinking of a wino with pissy trousers on a park bench, or a woman who wakes with yet another stranger beside her and no memory of the night before -- but no one starts like that. I was an alcoholic with a professional job, never missed a mortgage payment or a day's work, and every evening I couldn't control my drinking. Things are better now.

Anyhoos, some books that might be of interest:

Jamie Mullaney, Everyone Is Not Doing It -- all about abstinence and personal identity e.g. vegan, virgin, or teetotal. Basically how we can form identity by some of the things we don't do! Among other things it deals with the whole business of disclosure: strategies we use when we mention our abstinences to other people. Fascinating reading I thought.


Caroline Knapp, Drinking: a love story -- one of the things you realise as an alcoholic is that no one who isn't can ever really understand what it's like. May it always be so. But Caroline's book is, for me, one of the best descriptions of what it's like and it's very well-written. She was a smart lady with a good job; not a wino. If you want negative effects of alcohol, the emotional, the social, as well as the physical, then this is a fantastic book.


Living Sober -- this is published by Alcoholics Anonymous but you'll get it on Amazon. Why mention it? Because it's got a fair bit of practical advice about how to deal with people who can't seem to get their heads around the fact that we don't drink alcohol! Just change that to "don't eat animal products" and you've got some great transferable skills! The focus of the book though is aimed at us alcoholics so it might not make a lot of sense if that's not your problem. People might be interested for googling for the free online version. (Incidentally, I'm not sober with AA; their method doesn't work for me but this book is nice for me because it's practical and doesn't include the AA spiritual stuff).

Long post, sorry. The condensed version:

It really doesn't matter if one never drinks alcohol again.


Hope every one is well,

Owen

[Antonia]

Thanks Owen, I've added 'Everyone is Not Doing It' to my amazon wishlist. It look like it offers an interesting and collective approach to several factors of my lifestyle.. sober, vegan, non-smoker...

I'll look out for the AA stuff too. It's been 2 months now, and at times it has been a little tough. Mainly due to peoples reactions.

Good luck on your abstinence and congrats on your journey so far

[eclectic_one]

I'm another teetotaling vegan

[Poison Ivy]

I'm another teetotaling vegan

...and another one here

[eggplant]

I've been a teetotaler for a few years now, mostly because I realized that alcohol didn't agree with my digestive tract (I'm not sure why it took me 20 years to figure that out!). The nice side effects are that I also save money and cut calories. My bf hardly ever drinks and I don't go to bars much anymore, so it doesn't affect me that much. I just drink water if I'm with people at a bar, and they never seem to care. If you're used to hanging out with friends for whom alcohol is an important part of their lifestyle, I can see how it would be awkward for you, but why should they care whether you drink or not? I would question the nature of those friendships if this is a huge issue for them.

[RachelJune]

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[sprite1986]

Same with me recently. I just haven't been drinking that much, and when I do, I feel really terrible the next morning, which is actually enough to put me off drinking the night before.

RachelJune, I know what you mean about feeling pure. When I have drunk the night before, I feel really clogged up and unhealthy the day after (not just hungover), and it takes me a day and a half before I feel healthy again, and free of 'toxins' (haha).

[Marrers]

Interesting thread although I've only had time to read the last 2 pages so far.

I've just done 4 weeks without alcohol and feel no better or different at all - which is a bit disappointing as it would be an incentive to cut down or give up. (I gave up for almost 6 weeks last year with the same lack of effect.)

I was just wondering how long was it before you felt the health benefits? Have I just not been alcohol-free for long enough? I would have thought I'd see the effects by now.

[berta_the_aspie]

ur not meant to actually FEEL the health benefits on ur body. i mean carnivores could say the same thing about goin vegan: "its been a month - i dont feeel anything" but that doesnt mean that theyre not healthier. (just like the poll we had here on the forum - some people voted that they felt no difference what so ever)

[Korn]

some people voted that they felt no difference what so ever)

(...but most people did feel a difference.)

[berta_the_aspie]

well yeah i felt a huge difference when goin vegan, but i dunno about goin sober cause i have never had a drink so i cant say. i'm just comparing here. my point is everyone who go vegan and sober will feel a psychological positive effect which is good, so they might not need to feel a physical effect on their body to keep on stayin sober...

[Marrers]

i have never had a drink so i cant say. . . my point is everyone who go vegan and sober will feel a psychological positive effect . .

. . feel no better or different at all

Like I said I feel no different at all - that includes no psychological effect and none of the things normally associated with giving up drinking when you have been a regular drinker.

I was asking those who have given up drinking for their experiences Berta - you do not have any experiences in this area if you have not ever even had one alcoholic drink, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to deliver your opinions in such a spikey manner - "your point" seems not to be based on any facts or even anything you have heard or read.

[berta_the_aspie]

uhm oh so I've no facts whats that about? you don't know that for all you know I could be an expert on alcoholism with a PHD.
I'm not tryin to be a besserweissser here or anything I was just trying to encourage you to keep on tryin to go sober - even tho you feel no different yet. and even tho you don't feel any better psychologically/psysically it is proven that its healthy to stay sober so surely your psysical health must be better (without you actually feeling it)

[auntierozzi]

I drink alcohol very rarely. It hasn't always been the case. In my late teens and early twenties I just couldn't go to a party with out needing to feel a bit merrier than usual..Over the years I have gained in confidence and realized that alcohol has a really big and bad effect on me. I become quickly, very silly..and I don't really like that feeling. It's not really me! I want to experience life with my eyes wide open and my heart 100% in it. I will have an occasional glass but it really is occasional.

[Marrers]

. . .for all you know I could be an expert on alcoholism with a PHD.

Well I assume if you were you would have said so in your reply to Korn.

. . .I was just trying to encourage you to keep on tryin to go sober - even tho you feel no different yet.

In that case thankyou for your efforts.

[owen]

I've just done 4 weeks without alcohol and feel no better or different at all - which is a bit disappointing as it would be an incentive to cut down or give up. (I gave up for almost 6 weeks last year with the same lack of effect.)

I was just wondering how long was it before you felt the health benefits? Have I just not been alcohol-free for long enough? I would have thought I'd see the effects by now.

Hi Marrers,

Here's my take on it: my ex-wife stopped drinking the same time as I did. She didn't notice any difference to her life at all. She stopped just to give me a bit of support, which was decent of her.

I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've not had a drink since 2005 except for one this year at which point I realised I was on the top of a particularly slippery slope for me so I edged away from the precipice. My experience of stopping drinking was very different to my ex-wife's.

And that's because alcohol means entirely different things to us. But the big difference is in our heads, not our bodies.

How much were you drinking?

We're all different but you usually have to be putting away a lot of units a week to feel a physical difference. I've known alcoholics who come to meetings put away well over 100 units a week and not have any physical problems upon stopping.

Wishing you all the best in stopping anyhow.


Owen -- sober and happy

[treehugga]

I think the biggest issue for me was adapting socially. it does feel a bit left out if your one of the few non drinkers, but eventually you get used to it.
My husband gave up alcohol and other drugs about 7 years ago and doesn't miss them not. I also gave up to support him and he gave up meat etc to support me. It's a small sacrifice really.

It's important to remember that alcohol is a poison which is why you get intoxicated. Another reason to leave it alone.

[RedWellies]

I also gave up to support him and he gave up meat etc to support me.

That's lovely, Treehugga.

[Jjt]

I just gave up drinking recently too.I wasn't overdoing it really, but I was drinking alot of beers because I think I have a really high tolerance. I bought a lot of high end beers because I thought it give me better outlook/mentallity about it. From what I can recall about trying to find information about the dangers of alchohol, there isn't near as much information as I would have thought for such a widely used substance. One big thing that I learned is that alchohol doesn't from what I read actually kill brains cells, but it does damage the ends of the nerve receptors or something like that because alchohol causes them them expand and they expand too much and get damaged. But apparently they can repair themselves. Anyways, this is probably the second worse I've heard about alchohol damage. The first is that I was in a lesson about drug abuse and they showed theses sort of xrays of brains of different people doing drugs but they showed the brain waves or something like that and some looked worse than others but the one that was supposed to be a long time alcholic looked like it was melting. It was really bad and I knew nomatter what anbody said that that was really messed up. If you know any long term alchoholics like I have seen they can have permanant impairments and they talk and act like they're drunk even when they're not. Maybe that's some motivation for you not to drink if you think you're drinking too much. There's also other damage like liver and other organ damage.

It sounds like though perhaps you just want to stop drinking for personal/spirital reasons or other reasons besides drinking too much. That is why I stopped drinking because although It did help calm my nerves somewhat, it also numbed me down and took away my heart to an extent. I think that life is much more enjoyable experience sober. But alchohol in moderation is enjoyable too. If you want some information I would just look up "reasons to not drink on the internet" or " harmful effects of alchohol" or something like that. Or just check out a book at the library I'm sure there's something there too.

My best advice for quitting anything is you have to discipline yourself to not want it. I've found that for myself when I quit cigarettes, nothing helped until I truly did not want it. I think for a lot of people, if they really want something they'll go for it sooner or later. It defenitely requires self control too. I really also think it's bad to get yourself into that " I'm a recovering addict, and I'll always be an addict mentallity". It's good to remind yourself that you 're not using that, but also it's time to move on with you're life. There's some people who are weighed down by drug/alchohol addiction and they don't even use drugs. I wrote this list down last week or maybe the week before I think just to give me a quick reminder why I shouldn't be drinking. I'm a Christian so some of this contains Christian reasons, but it's just to give you some ideas if you want.

Reasons not to drink

1. It costs to much, and I can't afford it. It takes away money I coulkd give to God and others.
2.I am extremely prone to becoming an alchoholic, and I drink more than I would like to.
3. It's a bad way of dealing with my problems.
4.It's really not that great anyway.
5.Drunkeness is sin.
6.Being sober is much better.
7.It's not a good example to others, and it gives me a bad image. ( how much I was drinking)
8. It's a burden, and it makes me act foolishly, and stimulates the flesh.
9.It keeps me from prayer as much, and studying Gods word.

One last thing is I think cooking as a hobby is a great way to get some stimuli without drinking. At least that works for me I think, and sleeping also. Sleeping can be a great way to get rid of that nervousness you might have.

[Jjt]

It's important to remember that alcohol is a poison which is why you get intoxicated.

Not trying to go off topic but from what I've studied this isn't true at all, and I think there is a lot of teetotallers who probably push this idea around, but I think it's bad information and it's wrong to push this around.

From what I read it has to do with how you body digests it. If you drink more than your body can properly digest in a certain time, then toxins are released into your body. You can search for it and find more information on it, but here is just one page I quickly found.

here is a short page on "alchohol is a poison" ( http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1119724191.html)

A poison is any substance that is capable of causing injury, illness or death to an organism. 1 Salt, water and oxygen are all poisons because in high enough quantities they can harm people. Too much salt in a diet can cause serious health problems, hyper hydration can kill athletes, and too much oxygen given to a premature infant can cause permanent blindness.
Toxicologists emphasize that “the dosage makes the poison.” Although salt, water, oxygen, aspirin, alcohol beverages, and many other substances can cause poisoning in excessive amounts, it makes no sense to call them poisons.


(“ETHYL ALCOHOL IS A POISON. No intelligent person knowingly ingests poison unless they want to die prematurely.” 4 )


So why do so many groups and organizations insist on calling alcohol a poison? Apparently to stigmatize alcoholic beverages and frighten people into alcohol abstinence. The tactic was first used effectively by the Anti-Saloon League, the Women’s Christian Temperance Union, the KKK and other anti-alcohol groups. 2 The technique is still widely used today. 3
Honest communication doesn’t mislead or deceive. Calling alcohol a poison is misleading and deceptive.

References

1. Department of Environmental Health & Safety, University of Michigan. Poison. (http://www.dehs.umn.edu/homeiaq/glossary_frame.html#p); Natural Resources Defense Council. Poison (http://www.nrdc.org/reference/glossary/p.asp); Wikipedia. Poison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison)
2. Hanson, David J. Preventing Alcohol Abuse: Alcohol, Culture, and Control. Westport, CT: Praeger, 1995. See also “The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), Alcohol, and Prohibition” (http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/Controversies/1107362364.html). The Women’s Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) insisted that “Medical writers, without exception, class alcohol as a poison.” However, the scientists of the Committee of Fifty for the Investigation of the Liquor Problem reported that this was an erroneous assertion. Billings, John S., et al. (for the Committee of fifty for the Investigation of the Liquor Problem). Physiological Aspects of the Liquor Problem. Boston & NY: Houghton Mifflin, 1903. However, even today, the WCTU insists that “alcohol is a poison” (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Xwx2ymGV1eMJ:
www.wctu.org/hearing_alcoholhealthclaims.html
+%22Alcohol+is+a+poison%22&hl=en) as does the Prohibition National Committee of the Prohibition Party (http://www.prohibition.org/statesman_200406.PDF). It insists that “ETHYL ALCOHOL IS A POISON. No intelligent person knowingly ingests poison unless they want to die prematurely.”
3. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and SAMHSA’s National Clearinghouse for Alcohol & Drug Information. Black History Month. “Alcohol is a toxin or poison.“ (http://www.health.org/seasonal/blackhistory/diabetes.aspx); Students Against Destructive Decisions or SADD (formerly Students Against Drunk Driving) Silent Killer. “Alcohol is a poison.”(http://bhs.broo.k12.wv.us/BHS/Clubs/SADD/A-Poising.htm); Washington State Coalition to Reduce Underage Drinking. “alcohol is a poison” (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:kUfisHHIXmoJ:clearinghouse.adhl.org/
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[treehugga]

yes. its worked out well for both of us and our kids

[frank language]

You may already have been following the tenents of sXe without knowing it exists. If that's the case, claiming won't have that big an impact on your life, except compressing different areas of your lifestyle into one convenient phrase or label.

That's what I find; I fit into sXe enough without having consciously gone into it. I quit drinking and drugs 18 years ago simply because I'd had enough; also, I couldn't tolerate them anymore and to continue would have been literally suicidal.

Quitting drinking laid the foundation for my eventually giving up--or I prefer to day "getting rid of" dairy and meat almost six years ago. I wish it had been sooner. Actually, when I first quit drinking, I started smoking and smoked (tobacco) for about five years before I put that down. We can always fine-tune our acts, and there are still things I find difficult about veganism; it's one day at a time, as they say. It's great to have the support here.

[Gorilla]

i'm avoiding alcohol almost completely at the moment, because every time i've had even just one drink recently it's made me feel quite depressed. it used to only affect me occasionally but i'm now finding i can't tolerate the depressive effects at all any more.

[fiamma]

I'm the same Gorilla - I find drinking really does nothing for me any more, and here you need a car to get anywhere at night so I'm kind of forced to anyway

It feels good to have a clear head in the mornings too.

[emmapresley]

i drink way too much..periodically..intermittent binge drinking...i think i may have an addictive personality and am either an *all or nothing* type...but am on a no drinking thing atm. think all this stuff is hereditary..my dad died a particularly violent death through alcoholism and my grandad died with excessive alcohol use as a contributory factor. it scares me a little bit that it's so easy to get hold of and so socially acceptable. i love drinking, being drunk but don't like how it makes me get a little bit psycho in the noggin and how crappy i feel after drinking. soo..non for me for a bit.

i haven't though, found that i feel significantly better if i don't have any for a while..i just know that now im 35 yrs old, it just seems a lot harder to recover from loads of wine or whatever.

apologies if this doesn't help..just bunging in my thoughts

[cobweb]

I don't touch the stuff - haven't for around 2 years now. The only thing I find is that I often get/feel excluded if and when there are social occasions, being vegan AND teetotal .

[RachelJune]

i'm avoiding alcohol almost completely at the moment, because every time i've had even just one drink recently it's made me feel quite depressed. it used to only affect me occasionally but i'm now finding i can't tolerate the depressive effects at all any more.

Definately a wise idea, Gorilla

Speaking from personal experience, depression + alcohol = very, very bad news!! In particular, alcohol and antidepressants combined are a recipe for disaster Please just don't do it.

Maybe it works differently for everyone, but I made this mistake in the past and the result wasn't pretty I also know a person who went completely off the edge and ended up in hospital recently because he didn't realise how dangerous it was to drink when taking anti-depressants.

For most people alcohol can be enjoyed quite safely in moderation and I don't see a problem with that, although I personally choose not to drink at all. But remember alcohol is a depressant, and so those who already have depressive tendencies should certainly stay well clear. It might seem to block out your problems for a little while, but in reality it only makes things far worse.

[Gorilla]

i'm not taking anti-depressants at the moment, but i know from past experience it's definitely best not to drink at all while taking them. at the moment i feel depressed almost as soon as i've had a drink, the effect is immediate. so i haven't even been enjoying drinking and then feeling bad afterwards. still, it's healthier i suppose.

[Ginger]

I haven't had a drink for 10 days now, partly for weight loss reasons but also as I had been drinking way too much I'm not very strong willed when I walk into Sainsburys and they have buy one get one free on boxes of 20 bottles of beer I was pretty disgusted at how quickly I was getting through them (aprox 4 bottles to my husbands' 1). I've always drunk too much, since I was a teenager. It has been lovely to go to bed with a clear head and wake up without a manky mouth . I have also noticed that my gums have stopped bleeding when I brush my teeth in the morning , it really worries me what damage I've been doing to myself. Don't know how long I'll keep it up for but at the moment I feel really good.